When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [2]

When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [2]

Christ and Krishna exhibition continued (Feb.2012): The exhibition organized on Christ and Krishna, an archaeological journey, held by the Indian Science Monitor, reportedly provided more enchanting information about the hidden secrets of a distant age, beyond the images of excavations of skeletons corresponding to the size of Goliath as per the Biblical account[1].  The expo showcased milestones in the arduous effort to find corroborative evidence to the narratives found in the Bible and the Mahabaratha[2]. He added further, “My exhibition CHRIST AND KRISHNA was well received in a number of places[3]. It was through this exhibition that we show the archaeological sites connected with both of them[4]. We should do this exhibition in Coimbatore too. It’s a pure archaeological exhibition and visitors can get to see the image of the Lord Krishna coin issued by Indo Greek ruler Agathocles (the coin was discovered through the Ai Khanoum excavations in Afghanistan). Dr. Nanditha Krishna of the C.P.R Foundation was all praise for this when it was exhibited at Chennai some years ago. The exhibition also includes a number of images of sites connected with Lord Jesus Christ alongside pictures of places like the Prema Sarovara in Vrindavan where Lord Krishna met Radharani. Nanita Krishna was commenting upon the work of Rajan[5]. Western scholars tried to establish a connection between Krishna and Christ, claiming that the former was derived from St Thomas’ teachings about the latter, but literature and archaeology have proved otherwise[6].

T.K.V. Rajan and Christology linking St.Thomas myth: The activities, speeches and attempts of  TKV Rajan have been intriguing.

1. He claimed, “My exhibition CHRIST AND KRISHNA was well received in a number of places[7].
2. It was through this exhibition that we show the archaeological sites connected with both of them[8], i.e, Christ and Krishna.
3. He claims that “Under the tutelage of Fr James at Loyola College, Chennai, TKV Rajan gathered biblical research.”
4. Between 2016 and 2019 I visited the USA and lectured on “Christ and Krishna -Archaeological Journey” at the Ramakrishna Vedanta Society in Dallas.
5. He already appreciated that, “Archeologists in Europe have traced the precise spot of Jesus’s birth, St Peter’s house visited by Jesus, boats used during his time, his crucifix and even skeletons of giants who existed before the reign of King David. On the other hand, Hastinapur excavated in 1952, has not been touched again. There is so much to study in Kurukshetra and Mathura”.
6. Fr. B. Jeyaraj, S.J., Principal, Loyola College was invited to inaugurate his exhibition and he commented that One should live to the ideals of Bhagavat Gita, which was given to the humanity by Lord Krishna.
7. Nanditha Krishna of the C.P.R Foundation was all praise for this when it was exhibited at Chennai some years ago. The exhibition also includes a number of images of sites connected with Lord Jesus Christ alongside pictures of places like the Prema Sarovara in Vrindavan where Lord Krishna met Radharani. Nanita Krishna was commenting upon the work of Rajan[9]. Western scholars tried to establish a connection between Krishna and Christ, claiming that the former was derived from St Thomas’ teachings about the latter, but literature and archaeology have proved otherwise[10].
8. Thus, the whole affair becomes murky and doudy with raising a reasonable question as to why all these have been batting for St.Thomas, Christ, etc.

He goes to Vaishnavite mutt and poses as a Vaishnavite, but, also tries to equate “Christ and Krishna”! Note, he puts Christ always before Krishna in his exhibitions, talks and publicities. As an archaeologist and researcher, he must have known the chronology and then he could not have put cart before the horse. The expression, putting cart before the horse connotes, “The expression cart before the horse is an idiom or proverb used to suggest something is done contrary to a conventional or culturally expected order or relationship”. And he had done and perhaps doing.

Krishna or Christ, or Christ and Chrishna?: Here, I quote the following from K.V. Ramakrishna Rao about the issue[11]:

“In India, the Christian mind was terribly upset by the Puranic narratives of Flood, the Fish God saviour of the humanity, Narayana – the protecting and Saviour God, Christna, Chrishna or Krishna[12] and other related concepts.

From C.F.C. Volney[13] to J. M. Robertson[14], the “Krishna-Christ” binary archetypes baffled the Christologists. Therefore, after discussing and debating about the religious necessity of keeping one God for India with the choice between “Krishna” and “Christ”, the colonial theologians decided to impose the imported Christ replacing Krishna[15]……..John P. Jones[16] carried out his tirade against Krishna delivering lectures at the Andover, Hale, Harvard and other theological seminaries and at the Western Reserve University in 1902 and it was later published as a book entitled “India’s Problem Krishna or Christ”. His tirade against the Hindu religion had been acrimonious, vitrupous and blasphemous, couched with the missionary style of presentation.

1. ……….worship of Krishna and is given to the indulgence of poisonous and characterized by gross licentiousness[17].
2. …………….cult of Bhakti is connected with Krishnalatory which is the worship of the most unworthy and licentious god of Hindu pantheon[18].
3. There is no finality of blessing supposed…………………Krishna representing the worst type of sensuality and moral obliquity[19].

Thus, the nature of Krishna and Krishna worship are characterized as follows:

• The worship of Krishna is Krishnalatory
• It is given to the indulgence of poisonous.
• It is characterized by gross licentiousness.
• It is the most unworthy
• It is that of licentious god of Hindu pantheon.
• Krishna representing the worst type of sensuality
• Krishna representing the worst type ofmoral obliquity.

Therefore, the Christian hatred, acrimony and virulent attacks are revealing. The same language is only transformed to arrogant language as “…………………the church ignores nothing that is sacred on the earth……………..” (emphasis added), yet, the naïve, gullible, meek, mild and knave Hindus continued to be so, in spite of all onslaughts, inquisition and verbal terrorism. Thus, the elite Vaishnavites of Tamilnadu go on appreciate the comparative study of Christianity and Vaishnavism, Christ and Krishna, Mother Goddess and divine goddess etc., without knowing or understanding their minds. It is not that one Jesuit appreciates and another Jesuit depreciates or deprecates; glorifies and blasphemes; praises and denigrates…….but, the strategy, as practised a tactic by the trained Christian priests is pointed out. Having recorded explicitly[20] that, “……it would be sacrilege to compare the character of any one of them (Hindu Gods) with the wonderful incarnation of Jesus”, what is the fun of again and again to compare Jesus with Krishna or Christ with Krishna? Even today books are coming out making such comparisons[21]. When the Christians have already declared that it is “beyond compare”, what is the compromise made by writers to compare?”

Conclusion: Time and again, unfortunately, educated elite Hindus only fall prey to the sophisticated, well-trained and expertise Christians. Of course, they would be members of the Society of Jesus, but, the meek, mild naïve Hindus do not have such organizations. Many times, Hindus compromise for some benefits, foreign visit, an invitation for a talk, and such other thing, without understanding the nuances of “dialogue,” inter and intra religious dialogues and the processes of inculturation.  The case of TKV Rajan could not have been exceptional, as he has been a knowledgeable and well-aware of person. He goes to Vaishnaviite mutts, moves with Acharya donning traditional dress and sporting sandal paste on his forehead, but, gives lecture on the Christ and Bible with suit-boot-coat attire with books in his armpit, as if, going for a theological war. Therefore, it is unbelievable that he was not aware of the well-researched books written by Constantin-Volney, Charles Dupuis, David Friedrich Strauss, John Remsburg, Arthur Drews, William B. Smith, Paul-Louis Couchoud, J.M.Robertson, and others. Unless, he tells, one could know what happened to him. But, he has affected Hindus and Hindu religion , but compromising, collaborating and co-operating with such comparative studies.

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[1] News.18 / Indian Express, Was Goliath for real?, LAST UPDATED: FEBRUARY 18, 2012, 8:48 AM IST

TKV Rajan, 09380554557

[2] https://www.news18.com/news/india/was-goliath-for-real-447719.html

[3] simpli-city, For assimilating history without bias – Lord Krishna and Jesus Christ on the same palette, Rajesh Govindarajulu, Dec 02, 2017 13:54:04.

[4] http://simpli-city.in/news-detail.php?nid=19598

[5] Vedakrishna.com, Krishna Archeology, Nanditha Krishna, nankrishna@vsnl.com;

[6] http://veda.krishna.com/encyclopedia/krishna-archeology.htm

[7] simpli-city, For assimilating history without bias – Lord Krishna and Jesus Christ on the same palette, Rajesh Govindarajulu, Dec 02, 2017 13:54:04.

[8] http://simpli-city.in/news-detail.php?nid=19598

[9] Vedakrishna.com, Krishna Archeology, Nanditha Krishna, nankrishna@vsnl.com;

[10] http://veda.krishna.com/encyclopedia/krishna-archeology.htm

[11] K.V.Ramakrisha Rao, A Critical analysis of “Christian-Vaishnavite Comparative Studies” in the context of “Inter-faith / religious dialogue” and “Inculturation”, it was supposed to appear in a book proposed by Sandhya Jain and others. For some reasons, it is yat to see the light.

[12]Christna, Chrishna, Cristna, Crishna are the words and expressions found recorded in the literature denoting to “Krishna”, the Hindu protecting and Saviour God.

[13]C. F. C. Volney, , The Ruins, or Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires and the Law of Nature, Truth Seeker Co., New York, 1890.

[14]J. M. Robertson, Hindu Mythology and Christianity, Swati Publications, New Delhi, 1989.

[15]John  P. Jones, India’s Problem: Krishna or Christ, Fleming H. Revell Company, London and Edinburgh, 1903.

[16] John  P. Jones, India’s Problem: Krishna or Christ, Fleming H. Revell Company, London and Edinburgh, 1903.

[17] Ibid, p.65.

[18] Ibid, p.76.

[19] Ibid, pp.95-96.

[20] Ibid, p.95.

[21]Steven J. Rosen, Christ and Krishna: Where the Jordan meets the Ganges, Rosen, USA, 2011.

When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [1]

When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [1]

Introduction – Myth of Thomas linked with Christ and floated in India: After 1980s, the English speaking elite Indians and Hindus knowingly or unknowingly involved in the comparison of “Krishna and Christ.” In their Vaishnavite approach to the inter-religious dialogue, the Christian adapted and adopted such myths to rouse the passion of devout Hindus at one side and beat them at the other side declaring that Krishna was Christ! As for as Tamilnadu and Madras / Chennai are concerned, such groups cleverly worked and created rapport with the Vaishnavites of Chennai and Sri Rangam. Francis Xavious Clooney has been the major role played and still playing with the Vaishnavite professors, exerts and bigwigs like M. A. Anathakrishnan, Kannan, V.K.S.N.Raghavan, Velukkudi Krishnan, Agnihotram Ramanujachariyar, Booma Gopalan, and others.

vatican council II

The cultural and archaeological exhibition titled ‘Enchanting Krishna’ (August 2010): T.K.V. Rajan, Editor, The Indian Science Monitor, who organised the exhibition, said several principles preached in the Gita were prescribed as a subject in modern-day business management studies. The objective of the exhibition was to correlate Harappan sites with that of Mahabharata sites in the country. A four-day cultural and archaeological exhibition titled ‘Enchanting Krishna’ was inaugurated here on Monday. Aug. 30, 2010. The exhibition was open between 11 a.m. and 8 p.m. at Madurai Meenakshi Bhavan Hotel Complex, G.N. Chetty Road, near Vani Mahal, till Thursday[1]. Speaking after the inauguration, Prince of Arcot Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali said all religions preached tolerance and brotherhood. Indians were a peace-loving community and the Muslims in India were happy unlike their brethren in neighbouring countries, he said. His ancestors lived a harmonious life with members of other community. This was evident by their generous donation of large areas of lands for constructing more than 300 temples in southern India as well as educational institutions by Christian missionaries[2]. One should live to the ideals of Bhagavat Gita, which was given to humanity by Lord Krishna, said Rev. Fr. B. Jeyaraj, S.J., Principal, Loyola College[3]. Whatever was required for human beings had been mentioned in the Gita, he said[4]. It is not known as to TKV Rajan knew the agenda of Vatican Council-II or not.

Exhibition on the scientific discoveries on Christ and Krishna (Februrary 2012): When TKV Rajan organized an exhibition on “Christ and Krishna,” the Times of India reported in this way[5] – “While the Western world has been doing cutting edge research on Jesus Christ and the Bible, India lags far behind in tracing the legacy, life and times of its kings and heroes, feel archaeologists”. Scientists have discovered the sunken city of Dwaraka, but Krishna still remains more of a mythological figure, they add, mostly because of lack of manpower and funds. “We should start treating our epics as history, not legends. There is enough scientific evidence for this, and a lot more needs to be done,” says T K V Rajan, an archaeologist now organizing an exhibition on the scientific discoveries on Christ and Krishna at Parvati Art Gallery on Eldams Road[6]. “We hardly try connecting our finds to our epics. We find a pot, tank or inscription, but we do not bother to join the dots,” says Rajan.

Archaeologists and ocean scientists made a sensational discovery of Dwaraka under the Gulf of Khambat in 2001 and of coins with imprints of Lord Krishna and Balarama, issued by an Indo Greek king in Afghanistan. But precious little was done as follow-up. “Archeologists in Europe have traced the precise spot of Jesus’s birth, St Peter’s house visited by Jesus, boats used during his time, his crucifix and even skeletons of giants who existed before the reign of King David. On the other hand, Hastinapur excavated in 1952, has not been touched again. There is so much to study in Kurukshetra and Mathura,” says Rajan. Dr T Sathyamoorthy, the former superintending archaeologist with the Archaeological Survey of India, says there is scarce interest in the subject. “In the south, there is virtually no college that offers archaeology as a subject or course. Not many people come for excavations. The northern states are slightly better, but most of the archaeologists don’t study the epics deeply enough,” says Sathyamoorthy. Dr R Nagaswamy, former director of the state department of archaeology, says while Puranas are treated as legends, the Bible is taught as history, with dates. “Now we can trace Lord Krishna back to 1700BC, but we don’t have many people studying epics and Puranas with a chronological sense,” he says.

Many sites belonging to Mahabharata unearthed (December 2008): T K V Rajan, archaeologist and founder-director, Indian Science Monitor, who is holding a five-day exhibition, on search of Lord Krishna,’ in the city from Saturday, December 28, 2008, gave these details:

1. The conch and the Sudarshana Chakra are unmistakable. Although the figures do not match popular images of Kirshna sporting a peacock feather, archaeologists are convinced that the coins are of Krishna, revered as an avatar of Vishnu.
2. “These square coins, dating back to 180- BC, with Krishna on one side and Balram on the other, were unearthed recently in Al Khanoun in Afghanistan and are the earliest proof that Krishna was venerated as a god, and that the worship had spread beyond the Mathura region,” says
3. Having done extensive research in Brindavan, Rajan is convinced that a lot of the spiritual history of ancient India lies buried. “Close to 10,000 Greeks, who came in the wake of Alexander the Great, were Krishna’s devotees. There is an inscription by Heliodorus, the Greek ambassador at Takshila, which reads Deva, deva, Vasudeva. Krishna is my god and I have installed this Garuda Pillar at Bes Nagar (now in Bihar),‘” says Rajan.
4. According to him the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) has unearthed many sites that throw fresh light on the era of Krishna. “ASI is expected to release the full findings next year. Many of the unearthed artifacts have a close resemblance to materials of what is believed to be the Harappan civilisation. The findings may show that Krishna’s life was the dividing line between India’s spiritual history and the society’s gradual shift towards a materialistic one,” says Rajan.
5. Interestingly, a lot of what has been uncovered closely resemble the narration in the texts of Mahabharatha and the Bhagavatham,” he adds. Both the spiritual works are revered by the Hindus as their holy books.
6. It has been over five years since the discoveries were made at Tholavira near Dwaraka, close to Kutch.
7. Much progress has been made due to the application of thermoluminous study (TL) in ascertaining the age of the artifact. “It is possible to get the diffusion of atomic particles in the clay pottery unearthed and arrive at an accurate date,” points out Rajan. Tholavira itself is believed to be the capital city as detailed in the opening chapters of Bhagavatham[7].
8. Rajan points to an image of a plough, made of wood, which is mentioned in the Bhagavatham[8].
9. The findings could lay a trail to understanding Krishna’s life (said to be 5,000 years ago) and times, as a historical fact, says Rajan.

The exhibition will be open till December 31 at Sri Parvathy Gallery, Eldams Road. Here, it may be noted that already done work, published books, much-discussed coins and inscriptions for the last 50-100 years, are taken by him and assertions made as mentioned above, creating an impression as if he did all the work.

Supporting Aryan-Dravidian race theories: Ironically, in other U-tube talks, he believes in pseudo-scientific, discarded race theories, and thus argues for Dravidians, accepting Aryan race. He takes pro-Tamil stance also. Yet, he bats for “Akhanda Bharat” and “Christ.” Even Romila Thapar has accepted that the race theories are unscientific and no historian believes in race. The UN passed a resolution that the word race should not be used. However, Rajan uses such expression in Tamil and interprets the linguistic processes in the racial connotation. Therefore, it is not known what has made him to contradict,  and continue to lecture such mythical and unhistorical narratives under the guise of archaeology and so on.  More surprise has been that such video talks have been prepared by the Pande company. Anyway, if the disown historical claims, t= let them enjoy such funs.

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[1] The Hindu, Indians, a peace-loving community: Prince of Arcot, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENTCHENNAI:, AUGUST 30, 2010 23:26 IST, UPDATED: AUGUST 30, 2010 23:26 IST.

[2] It is a myth that Mohammedans granted lands to build temples and all, because, as putsiders, invaders or even converttef categories, they could not do that as per Quran. Therefore, it is a blatant lie and he has been telling this in most of the platforms. The land of India belong to Indian, Hindus.

[3] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/Indians-a-peace-loving-community-Prince-of-Arcot/article16150885.ece

[4] Under the “Inculturation” programme, had be talked in that way, there is nothing surpring, only the point is whow Rajan had taken it. As he started exihibitions and lectures on “Christ and Krishna,” it is clear that he has theologically surrendered to the Christians.

[5] Times of India, Krishna unexplored: Scientists, Pratiksha Ramkumar | TNN | Updated: Feb 18, 2012, 04:12 IST.

[6] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Krishna-unexplored-Scientists/articleshow/11933144.cms

[7] Times of India, New finds take archaeologists closer to Krishna, Bhama Devi Ravi | TNN | Dec 27, 2008, 03:30 IST

[8] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/New-finds-take-archaeologists-closer-to-Krishna/articleshow/3898205.cms

Bharata natyam: Christians and DK-atheists, the intriguing nexus!

Bharata natyam: Christians and DK-atheists, the intriguing nexus!

As for as DK / Black Parivar is concerned the so-called “Bharata natyam” is nothing but “temple prostitution”, because that is how they used to regard, write and speak in forums with scoff. They pour venom on such “Aryan art-form”.

A typical article can be seen here: http://www.sikhspectrum.com/052007/devadasi.htm

And my response at that time : http://www.sikhspectrum.com/letters/letters_28.htm

But, here the love for the Christian S. M. George (since expired last October 2008) and the love of K. Veeramani’s for him are veery much intriguing! The DK-Christian nexus in promoting “Bharatnatyam” is intriguing, as the same gangs denigrate it as “Deavadasi system”, “Temple prostitution”, “Divine prostitution” and so on!

If at all, they both Christians and Black Parivaer hate “Aryans and their art-form”, they should have desisted from practicing such “paganized” rituals. But, here actually they join together, appreciating each other even at death, perfectly consistent with “Hindu tradition”!

When such “Aryan art-form” has been so scandalized, why then these Christians conduct and that too offer “degree course” and the atheist Veeramanis support for such leud activities?

http://www.kalaikaviri-offcamp.com/university.htm

When S. M. George of Kalai Kaveri died, all thse peiople thronged there to condole, whereas, when any other “Bharat natya” exponent, teacher or expert expires, they do not care!

“Kalaimaamunivar” Rev. Msgr. S.M.George – has been Founder of Kalai Kaviri Cultural Undertakings, Rev. Msgr. S.M.George. He founded Kalai Kaviri in 1977 and was its Director till 1996; founded Kalai Kaviri College of Fine Arts in 1996 and was its Secretary/Director and Principal till 2002; founded the World’s First Off-campus Degree Programme in Bharathanatyam in 2004 and was its First Director till he passed away in October 2008.

Ironically, but significantly, it has  to be noted that Leela Samson has created a controversy by becoming the head of Kalakshetra, where he has reportedly started de-Hinduizing of the premises!

But the same lady organized such extravagant dance before the Pope, who enjoyed so-many ladies dancing before him with such paganized attire and body movement. In fact, he sported a dot / tilak / kumkum duly applied on his forehead by a dancng lady!

We have seen enough SJs dancing in such art-form.

They have made the Jesus also to dance like that and perhaps the naive Hindus are awaiting when Mary would start dancing!  Definitely, it would be  interesting for devout Hindus to watch Mary dancing, particularly with her husbans Joseph, so that the duo would soon replace the heathen Shiva-Parvati. Perhaps, Francis Xaviet Clooney could comne out with one more book that could be released by some Saiva professor or Mutt-head! Or if Sri-Narayana pair is chosen, our friend M. A. Venkatakrishnan could invite a Jeer to complete the task! Let us wait and see what happens in near future?

What sort of behaviour has been exhibited by these wonderful species on the earth?

Definitely, these people should be subjected to psycho-pathological and analytical studies for their exhibited behaviour, speech and writings.

The educated, elite and others should not keep mum but expose such hypocritical nexus and point out their duplicity.