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When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [2]  

June 23, 2020

When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [2]

T K V Rajan with Jeyaraj, Loyola Principal 2010

Christ and Krishna exhibition continued (Feb.2012): The exhibition organized on Christ and Krishna, an archaeological journey, held by the Indian Science Monitor, reportedly provided more enchanting information about the hidden secrets of a distant age, beyond the images of excavations of skeletons corresponding to the size of Goliath as per the Biblical account[1].  The expo showcased milestones in the arduous effort to find corroborative evidence to the narratives found in the Bible and the Mahabaratha[2]. He added further, “My exhibition CHRIST AND KRISHNA was well received in a number of places[3]. It was through this exhibition that we show the archaeological sites connected with both of them[4]. We should do this exhibition in Coimbatore too. It’s a pure archaeological exhibition and visitors can get to see the image of the Lord Krishna coin issued by Indo Greek ruler Agathocles (the coin was discovered through the Ai Khanoum excavations in Afghanistan). Dr. Nanditha Krishna of the C.P.R Foundation was all praise for this when it was exhibited at Chennai some years ago. The exhibition also includes a number of images of sites connected with Lord Jesus Christ alongside pictures of places like the Prema Sarovara in Vrindavan where Lord Krishna met Radharani. Nanita Krishna was commenting upon the work of Rajan[5]. Western scholars tried to establish a connection between Krishna and Christ, claiming that the former was derived from St Thomas’ teachings about the latter, but literature and archaeology have proved otherwise[6].

TKV Rajan book on Kashmir released

T.K.V. Rajan and Christology linking St.Thomas myth: The activities, speeches and attempts of  TKV Rajan have been intriguing.

  1. He claimed, “My exhibition CHRIST AND KRISHNA was well received in a number of places[7].
  2. It was through this exhibition that we show the archaeological sites connected with both of them[8], i.e, Christ and Krishna.
  3. He claims that “Under the tutelage of Fr James at Loyola College, Chennai, TKV Rajan gathered biblical research.
  4. Between 2016 and 2019 I visited the USA and lectured on “Christ and Krishna -Archaeological Journey” at the Ramakrishna Vedanta Society in Dallas.
  5. He already appreciated that, “Archeologists in Europe have traced the precise spot of Jesus’s birth, St Peter’s house visited by Jesus, boats used during his time, his crucifix and even skeletons of giants who existed before the reign of King David. On the other hand, Hastinapur excavated in 1952, has not been touched again. There is so much to study in Kurukshetra and Mathura”.
  6. Fr. B. Jeyaraj, S.J., Principal, Loyola College was invited to inaugurate his exhibition and he commented that One should live to the ideals of Bhagavat Gita, which was given to the humanity by Lord Krishna.
  7. Nanditha Krishna of the C.P.R Foundation was all praise for this when it was exhibited at Chennai some years ago. The exhibition also includes a number of images of sites connected with Lord Jesus Christ alongside pictures of places like the Prema Sarovara in Vrindavan where Lord Krishna met Radharani. Nanita Krishna was commenting upon the work of Rajan[9]. Western scholars tried to establish a connection between Krishna and Christ, claiming that the former was derived from St Thomas’ teachings about the latter, but literature and archaeology have proved otherwise[10].
  8. Thus, the whole affair becomes murky and doudy with raising a reasonable question as to why all these have been batting for St.Thomas, Christ, etc.

He goes to Vaishnavite mutt and poses as a Vaishnavite, but, also tries to equate “Christ and Krishna”! Note, he puts Christ always before Krishna in his exhibitions, talks and publicities. As an archaeologist and researcher, he must have known the chronology and then he could not have put cart before the horse. The expression, putting cart before the horse connotes, “The expression cart before the horse is an idiom or proverb used to suggest something is done contrary to a conventional or culturally expected order or relationship”. And he had done and perhaps doing.

TKV Rajan batting for Jesus Christ.USA meeting

Krishna or Christ, or Christ and Chrishna?: Here, I quote the following from K.V. Ramakrishna Rao about the issue[11]:

“In India, the Christian mind was terribly upset by the Puranic narratives of Flood, the Fish God saviour of the humanity, Narayana – the protecting and Saviour God, Christna, Chrishna or Krishna[12] and other related concepts.

From C.F.C. Volney[13] to J. M. Robertson[14], the “Krishna-Christ” binary archetypes baffled the Christologists. Therefore, after discussing and debating about the religious necessity of keeping one God for India with the choice between “Krishna” and “Christ”, the colonial theologians decided to impose the imported Christ replacing Krishna[15]……..John P. Jones[16] carried out his tirade against Krishna delivering lectures at the Andover, Hale, Harvard and other theological seminaries and at the Western Reserve University in 1902 and it was later published as a book entitled “India’s Problem Krishna or Christ”. His tirade against the Hindu religion had been acrimonious, vitrupous and blasphemous, couched with the missionary style of presentation.

TKV rajan - Christ or Krishna, inter-faith presentation!

  1. ……….worship of Krishna and is given to the indulgence of poisonous and characterized by gross licentiousness[17].
  2. …………….cult of Bhakti is connected with Krishnalatory which is the worship of the most unworthy and licentious god of Hindu pantheon[18].
  3. There is no finality of blessing supposed…………………Krishna representing the worst type of sensuality and moral obliquity[19].

TKV Rajan batting for Jesus Christ.Bible archaeology

Thus, the nature of Krishna and Krishna worship are characterized as follows:

  • The worship of Krishna is Krishnalatory
  • It is given to the indulgence of poisonous.
  • It is characterized by gross licentiousness.
  • It is the most unworthy
  • It is that of licentious god of Hindu pantheon.
  • Krishna representing the worst type of sensuality
  • Krishna representing the worst type ofmoral obliquity.

M A Venkatakrishnan, TKV, T S Krishnamurthy, Karthikeyan

Therefore, the Christian hatred, acrimony and virulent attacks are revealing. The same language is only transformed to arrogant language as “…………………the church ignores nothing that is sacred on the earth……………..” (emphasis added), yet, the naïve, gullible, meek, mild and knave Hindus continued to be so, in spite of all onslaughts, inquisition and verbal terrorism. Thus, the elite Vaishnavites of Tamilnadu go on appreciate the comparative study of Christianity and Vaishnavism, Christ and Krishna, Mother Goddess and divine goddess etc., without knowing or understanding their minds. It is not that one Jesuit appreciates and another Jesuit depreciates or deprecates; glorifies and blasphemes; praises and denigrates…….but, the strategy, as practised a tactic by the trained Christian priests is pointed out. Having recorded explicitly[20] that, “……it would be sacrilege to compare the character of any one of them (Hindu Gods) with the wonderful incarnation of Jesus”, what is the fun of again and again to compare Jesus with Krishna or Christ with Krishna? Even today books are coming out making such comparisons[21]. When the Christians have already declared that it is “beyond compare”, what is the compromise made by writers to compare?”

TKV Rajan as Vaishavite

Conclusion: Time and again, unfortunately, educated elite Hindus only fall prey to the sophisticated, well-trained and expertise Christians. Of course, they would be members of the Society of Jesus, but, the meek, mild naïve Hindus do not have such organizations. Many times, Hindus compromise for some benefits, foreign visit, an invitation for a talk, and such other thing, without understanding the nuances of “dialogue,” inter and intra religious dialogues and the processes of inculturation.  The case of TKV Rajan could not have been exceptional, as he has been a knowledgeable and well-aware of person. He goes to Vaishnaviite mutts, moves with Acharya donning traditional dress and sporting sandal paste on his forehead, but, gives lecture on the Christ and Bible with suit-boot-coat attire with books in his armpit, as if, going for a theological war. Therefore, it is unbelievable that he was not aware of the well-researched books written by Constantin-Volney, Charles Dupuis, David Friedrich Strauss, John Remsburg, Arthur Drews, William B. Smith, Paul-Louis Couchoud, J.M.Robertson, and others. Unless, he tells, one could know what happened to him. But, he has affected Hindus and Hindu religion , but compromising, collaborating and co-operating with such comparative studies.

© Vedaprakash

23-06-2020

TKV rajan - Krishna in Radha-krishna temple Dellas 2018

[1] News.18 / Indian Express, Was Goliath for real?, LAST UPDATED: FEBRUARY 18, 2012, 8:48 AM IST

TKV Rajan, 09380554557

[2] https://www.news18.com/news/india/was-goliath-for-real-447719.html

[3] simpli-city, For assimilating history without bias – Lord Krishna and Jesus Christ on the same palette, Rajesh Govindarajulu, Dec 02, 2017 13:54:04.

[4] http://simpli-city.in/news-detail.php?nid=19598

[5] Vedakrishna.com, Krishna Archeology, Nanditha Krishna, nankrishna@vsnl.com;

[6] http://veda.krishna.com/encyclopedia/krishna-archeology.htm

[7] simpli-city, For assimilating history without bias – Lord Krishna and Jesus Christ on the same palette, Rajesh Govindarajulu, Dec 02, 2017 13:54:04.

[8] http://simpli-city.in/news-detail.php?nid=19598

[9] Vedakrishna.com, Krishna Archeology, Nanditha Krishna, nankrishna@vsnl.com;

[10] http://veda.krishna.com/encyclopedia/krishna-archeology.htm

[11] K.V.Ramakrisha Rao, A Critical analysis of “Christian-Vaishnavite Comparative Studies” in the context of “Inter-faith / religious dialogue” and “Inculturation”, it was supposed to appear in a book proposed by Sandhya Jain and others. For some reasons, it is yat to see the light.

[12]Christna, Chrishna, Cristna, Crishna are the words and expressions found recorded in the literature denoting to “Krishna”, the Hindu protecting and Saviour God.

[13]C. F. C. Volney, , The Ruins, or Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires and the Law of Nature, Truth Seeker Co., New York, 1890.

[14]J. M. Robertson, Hindu Mythology and Christianity, Swati Publications, New Delhi, 1989.

[15]John  P. Jones, India’s Problem: Krishna or Christ, Fleming H. Revell Company, London and Edinburgh, 1903.

[16] John  P. Jones, India’s Problem: Krishna or Christ, Fleming H. Revell Company, London and Edinburgh, 1903.

[17] Ibid, p.65.

[18] Ibid, p.76.

[19] Ibid, pp.95-96.

[20] Ibid, p.95.

[21]Steven J. Rosen, Christ and Krishna: Where the Jordan meets the Ganges, Rosen, USA, 2011.

Mary, krishna, inculturation

When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [1]

June 23, 2020

When the Europeans started “Krishna or Christ” assertions, Indians changed to “Christ and Krishna” surrenders! [1]

Mary, krishna, inculturation

Introduction – Myth of Thomas linked with Christ and floated in India: After 1980s, the English speaking elite Indians and Hindus knowingly or unknowingly involved in the comparison of “Krishna and Christ.” In their Vaishnavite approach to the inter-religious dialogue, the Christian adapted and adopted such myths to rouse the passion of devout Hindus at one side and beat them at the other side declaring that Krishna was Christ! As for as Tamilnadu and Madras / Chennai are concerned, such groups cleverly worked and created rapport with the Vaishnavites of Chennai and Sri Rangam. Francis Xavious Clooney has been the major role played and still playing with the Vaishnavite professors, exerts and bigwigs like M. A. Anathakrishnan, Kannan, V.K.S.N.Raghavan, Velukkudi Krishnan, Agnihotram Ramanujachariyar, Booma Gopalan, and others.

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vatican council II

The cultural and archaeological exhibition titled ‘Enchanting Krishna’ (August 2010): T.K.V. Rajan, Editor, The Indian Science Monitor, who organised the exhibition, said several principles preached in the Gita were prescribed as a subject in modern-day business management studies. The objective of the exhibition was to correlate Harappan sites with that of Mahabharata sites in the country. A four-day cultural and archaeological exhibition titled ‘Enchanting Krishna’ was inaugurated here on Monday. Aug. 30, 2010. The exhibition was open between 11 a.m. and 8 p.m. at Madurai Meenakshi Bhavan Hotel Complex, G.N. Chetty Road, near Vani Mahal, till Thursday[1]. Speaking after the inauguration, Prince of Arcot Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali said all religions preached tolerance and brotherhood. Indians were a peace-loving community and the Muslims in India were happy unlike their brethren in neighbouring countries, he said. His ancestors lived a harmonious life with members of other community. This was evident by their generous donation of large areas of lands for constructing more than 300 temples in southern India as well as educational institutions by Christian missionaries[2]. One should live to the ideals of Bhagavat Gita, which was given to humanity by Lord Krishna, said Rev. Fr. B. Jeyaraj, S.J., Principal, Loyola College[3]. Whatever was required for human beings had been mentioned in the Gita, he said[4]. It is not known as to TKV Rajan knew the agenda of Vatican Council-II or not.

Christ and Krishna - books produced
Exhibition on the scientific discoveries on Christ and Krishna (Februrary 2012): When TKV Rajan organized an exhibition on “Christ and Krishna,” the Times of India reported in this way[5] – “While the Western world has been doing cutting edge research on Jesus Christ and the Bible, India lags far behind in tracing the legacy, life and times of its kings and heroes, feel archaeologists”. Scientists have discovered the sunken city of Dwaraka, but Krishna still remains more of a mythological figure, they add, mostly because of lack of manpower and funds. “We should start treating our epics as history, not legends. There is enough scientific evidence for this, and a lot more needs to be done,” says T K V Rajan, an archaeologist now organizing an exhibition on the scientific discoveries on Christ and Krishna at Parvati Art Gallery on Eldams Road[6]. “We hardly try connecting our finds to our epics. We find a pot, tank or inscription, but we do not bother to join the dots,” says Rajan.

Dwaraka, S R Rao, NIO

Archaeologists and ocean scientists made a sensational discovery of Dwaraka under the Gulf of Khambat in 2001 and of coins with imprints of Lord Krishna and Balarama, issued by an Indo Greek king in Afghanistan. But precious little was done as follow-up. “Archeologists in Europe have traced the precise spot of Jesus’s birth, St Peter’s house visited by Jesus, boats used during his time, his crucifix and even skeletons of giants who existed before the reign of King David. On the other hand, Hastinapur excavated in 1952, has not been touched again. There is so much to study in Kurukshetra and Mathura,” says Rajan. Dr T Sathyamoorthy, the former superintending archaeologist with the Archaeological Survey of India, says there is scarce interest in the subject. “In the south, there is virtually no college that offers archaeology as a subject or course. Not many people come for excavations. The northern states are slightly better, but most of the archaeologists don’t study the epics deeply enough,” says Sathyamoorthy. Dr R Nagaswamy, former director of the state department of archaeology, says while Puranas are treated as legends, the Bible is taught as history, with dates. “Now we can trace Lord Krishna back to 1700BC, but we don’t have many people studying epics and Puranas with a chronological sense,” he says.

TKV rajan - do these videos making myth

Many sites belonging to Mahabharata unearthed (December 2008): T K V Rajan, archaeologist and founder-director, Indian Science Monitor, who is holding a five-day exhibition, on search of Lord Krishna,’ in the city from Saturday, December 28, 2008, gave these details:

  1. The conch and the Sudarshana Chakra are unmistakable. Although the figures do not match popular images of Kirshna sporting a peacock feather, archaeologists are convinced that the coins are of Krishna, revered as an avatar of Vishnu.
  2. “These square coins, dating back to 180- BC, with Krishna on one side and Balram on the other, were unearthed recently in Al Khanoun in Afghanistan and are the earliest proof that Krishna was venerated as a god, and that the worship had spread beyond the Mathura region,” says
  3. Having done extensive research in Brindavan, Rajan is convinced that a lot of the spiritual history of ancient India lies buried. “Close to 10,000 Greeks, who came in the wake of Alexander the Great, were Krishna’s devotees. There is an inscription by Heliodorus, the Greek ambassador at Takshila, which reads Deva, deva, Vasudeva. Krishna is my god and I have installed this Garuda Pillar at Bes Nagar (now in Bihar),‘” says Rajan.
  4. According to him the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) has unearthed many sites that throw fresh light on the era of Krishna. “ASI is expected to release the full findings next year. Many of the unearthed artifacts have a close resemblance to materials of what is believed to be the Harappan civilisation. The findings may show that Krishna’s life was the dividing line between India’s spiritual history and the society’s gradual shift towards a materialistic one,” says Rajan.
  5. Interestingly, a lot of what has been uncovered closely resemble the narration in the texts of Mahabharatha and the Bhagavatham,” he adds. Both the spiritual works are revered by the Hindus as their holy books.
  6. It has been over five years since the discoveries were made at Tholavira near Dwaraka, close to Kutch.
  7. Much progress has been made due to the application of thermoluminous study (TL) in ascertaining the age of the artifact. “It is possible to get the diffusion of atomic particles in the clay pottery unearthed and arrive at an accurate date,” points out Rajan. Tholavira itself is believed to be the capital city as detailed in the opening chapters of Bhagavatham[7].
  8. Rajan points to an image of a plough, made of wood, which is mentioned in the Bhagavatham[8].
  9. The findings could lay a trail to understanding Krishna’s life (said to be 5,000 years ago) and times, as a historical fact, says Rajan.

The exhibition will be open till December 31 at Sri Parvathy Gallery, Eldams Road. Here, it may be noted that already done work, published books, much-discussed coins and inscriptions for the last 50-100 years, are taken by him and assertions made as mentioned above, creating an impression as if he did all the work.

TKV Rajan batting for Jesus Christ

Supporting Aryan-Dravidian race theories: Ironically, in other U-tube talks, he believes in pseudo-scientific, discarded race theories, and thus argues for Dravidians, accepting Aryan race. He takes pro-Tamil stance also. Yet, he bats for “Akhanda Bharat” and “Christ.” Even Romila Thapar has accepted that the race theories are unscientific and no historian believes in race. The UN passed a resolution that the word race should not be used. However, Rajan uses such expression in Tamil and interprets the linguistic processes in the racial connotation. Therefore, it is not known what has made him to contradict,  and continue to lecture such mythical and unhistorical narratives under the guise of archaeology and so on.  More surprise has been that such video talks have been prepared by the Pande company. Anyway, if the disown historical claims, t= let them enjoy such funs.

© Vedaprakash

23-06-2020

Christ and Krishna - Rosen, 2011

[1] The Hindu, Indians, a peace-loving community: Prince of Arcot, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENTCHENNAI:, AUGUST 30, 2010 23:26 IST, UPDATED: AUGUST 30, 2010 23:26 IST.

[2] It is a myth that Mohammedans granted lands to build temples and all, because, as putsiders, invaders or even converttef categories, they could not do that as per Quran. Therefore, it is a blatant lie and he has been telling this in most of the platforms. The land of India belong to Indian, Hindus.

[3] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/Indians-a-peace-loving-community-Prince-of-Arcot/article16150885.ece

[4] Under the “Inculturation” programme, had be talked in that way, there is nothing surpring, only the point is whow Rajan had taken it. As he started exihibitions and lectures on “Christ and Krishna,” it is clear that he has theologically surrendered to the Christians.

[5] Times of India, Krishna unexplored: Scientists, Pratiksha Ramkumar | TNN | Updated: Feb 18, 2012, 04:12 IST.

[6] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Krishna-unexplored-Scientists/articleshow/11933144.cms

[7] Times of India, New finds take archaeologists closer to Krishna, Bhama Devi Ravi | TNN | Dec 27, 2008, 03:30 IST

[8] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/New-finds-take-archaeologists-closer-to-Krishna/articleshow/3898205.cms

சாரா ஸ்டீபைன் லான்ட்ரி, நித்திய சுதேவி, ஸ்ரீ நித்தியா ஸ்வரூப்பா பிரியானந்தா ஆனது: ரகசியமாக வந்தது-சென்றது – பின்னணி என்ன?!

December 1, 2019

சாரா ஸ்டீபைன் லான்ட்ரி, நித்திய சுதேவி, ஸ்ரீ நித்தியா ஸ்வரூப்பா பிரியானந்தா ஆனது: ரகசியமாக வந்தது-சென்றது – பின்னணி என்ன?!

Sarah Stephanie Landry - different garbs-with Nithyananda

முன்பு பிஷப்பிடம் வேலை பார்த்து புகார் கூறியது, இப்பொழுது, குருவீடம் சிஷையாக இருந்து புகார் கூறியது: இன்றைய நிலையிலும் வெளிநாட்டு காரன், வெள்ளக் காரன் சொன்னதான் ஒப்புக் கொள்வேன் என்ற எண்ணம் இருக்கிறது. ஆனால், காசுக்காக இந்தியாவிற்கு வந்து வேலை செய்கிறான் என்பதை மறந்து விடுகிறார்கள் முட்டாள் இந்துக்கள்! சாரா ஸ்டீபைன் லான்ட்ரி, நித்திய சுதேவி என்ற பெயரில் செயல்பட்டு வந்தார். நகைகளை விற்கும் வியாபாரியாகவும் இருந்தார். இதற்காகவும் இணைதளம் வைத்திருக்கிறார். “ஆண் மற்றும் பெண் சக்திகளை சமன் படுத்துக! உள்ளிருக்கும் ஆண் கடவுள் மற்றும் பெண் கடவுளர்களை எழுப்புக! சந்திரக் கல் மற்றும் சூரிய கல் வேண்டுமா, வாருங்கள், என்னிடம் வாங்கிக் கொள்ளுங்கள்!,” என்ற்லாம் விளம்பரம், வீடியோக்கள். சிவசக்தி படத்தை வைத்து, அர்த்தநாரீஸ்வர தத்துவத்தை சின்னமாக்கி, வியாபாரத்திற்கு உபயோகப் படுத்திய சாரா ஸ்டீபைன் லான்ட்ரி, என்கின்ற நித்திய சுதேவி! “யார் தருவார் இந்த அரியாசனம், நித்திய சுதேவிக்குக் கிடைத்த சிம்மாசனம்!” பாணியில் உட்கார்ந்து, படத்தையும் வெளியிட்டுள்ளார். இவர் தான், “குருவுக்கு எதிரான குருவும் நான் தான்!,” போன்று செயல்பட்டு புகார் கொடுத்துள்ளார். இங்கு, நித்தியானந்தாவுடன், நேரிடையாக எந்த மோதலும் இல்லை, ஆனால், எதையோ எதிர்பார்த்து வந்து, அது கிடைக்காதலால், ஏமாந்து, அதன் மூலம் உண்டான வெறுப்பில் வீடியோ-புகார் செய்துள்ளார். ஆனால், அது குஜராத் தந்தையின் பூகாரோடு, நேரத்தில் ஒத்துப் போவது கேள்வியை எழுப்புகிறது.

Sarah Stephanie Landry - with catholic bishop Ralph

பிஷப் ரால்ப் நபிரேஸ்கிடம் ஏற்பட்ட மோதல்:  தானே தெய்வம் போன்று யதேச்சாதிகாரமாக செயல்பட்டு, கூட்டங்களை நடத்தினார். ஏசுயோகா பற்றி புத்தகத்தை வெளியிட்டார்[1]. பிஷப் ரால்ப் நபிரேஸ்கி எல்லா உதவிகளையும் பெற்று, அவரையே குற்றஞ்சாட்டியது வியப்பாக உள்ளது[2], “மூன்றாண்டுகளுக்குப் பிறகு, சொல்லிக் கொள்ளாமல் மறந்து விட்டாள்….சமூக வலைதளங்களிலும் எங்களை தடுத்து விட்டாள். …..ஒரு கடவுள் பற்றிய வீடியோக்களை எடுத்து விட்டாள். கிருத்துவர்களுக்கு எதிராக பிரச்சாரம் செய்ய ஆரம்பித்தாள். இப்பொழுது, இந்துக்களையும் தாக்க ஆரம்பித்துள்ளாள். இதனால், இந்துகிருத்துவர்களிடம் வெறுப்பு உண்டாகும் நிலை ஏற்பட்டுள்ளது..” சாரா தான் எழுதிய புத்தகத்தில், இவரைப் பற்றிய விவரங்களைக் கொடுத்து, கிண்டலாக எழுதியிருப்பது, இவர்க்கு கோபத்தை மூட்டியுள்ளது. இருப்பினும், கிருத்துவர்களான,இவர்களிடையே, ஏதோ போட்டி, பொறாமை, சிக்கல், தகராறு இருப்பது தெரிகிறது.

Sarah Stephanie Landry - different garbs

சாரா ஸ்டீபைன் லான்ட்ரி, உள்கலாச்சார மயமாக்கல் திட்டத்துடன் செயல் படுகிறார்: வாடிகன் கவுன்ஸில்-II கூட்டத்திற்கு பிறகு உள் கலாச்சார மயமாக்கல் மற்றும் மற்ற மதங்களுடன் உரையாடல் என்ற திட்டங்களுடன், கத்தோலிக்க சர்ச் இந்தியாவில் ஆசிரமங்கள் உருவாக்கி, கத்தோலிக்க பாஸ்டர், பிஷப் போன்றவர்கள் இந்து சன்னியாசிகள் போலவே காவி உடை அணிந்து, இந்துமத சின்னங்களைத் தரித்துக் கொண்டு, உலா வந்து, எளிமையான அப்பாவி இந்து மக்களை ஏமாற்றி வருகின்றனர். இதைப் பற்றிய விவரங்கள் சிலர் எடுத்துக்காட்டி வந்தாலும் பரவலாக இப்பிரச்சனை பேசப்படுவது இல்லை. அவர்கள் இந்துக்கள் போலவே இருந்து கொண்டு இந்து கடவுள்களையும் வணங்கிக்கொண்டு வேடதாரிகள், போலி சாமியார்கள். இவர்கள் பலவித குற்றங்களில் மாட்டிக் கொண்டுள்ளார்கள். செக்ஸ், பாலியல் சதாய்ப்புகள், கற்பழிப்புகளில் ஈடுபட்டு வருகிறார்கள். இதனால் தான் மற்ற உண்மையான இந்து சாமியார்களுக்கும் அவப்பெயர் ஏற்பட்டு வருகிறது. ஏனெனில் ஊடகங்களில், பொதுவாக சாமியார் குற்றத்தில் ஈடுபட்டார், சிறுமிகளை கற்பழித்த பாலியல் குற்றத்தில் மாற்றிக் கொண்டார் என்று தான் வருகினனவே தவிர, அக்குற்றம் சேர்ந்த சாமியார் கிருத்துவர் என்று சொல்வதே இல்லை. இங்கும் இப்பெண், “கிருத்து தான் கடவுள்” என்று பிரச்சாரம் செய்து வருகிறாள். பட்டுப் புடவை அணிந்து, நெற்றியில் பெரிதாக குங்குமம்-விபூதி வைத்துக் கொண்டு, வேடம் போட்டுத் தான் வந்திருக்கிறார்!

Francis clooney and Sarah Stephanie Landry

சாரா ஸ்டீபைன் லான்ட்ரி, பிரான்சிஸ் சேவியர் குளூனி ஒப்பீடு செய்ய முடியுமா?: மந்திர-தந்திர-யந்திர வித்தைகள் கற்றுக் கொண்டு ஏமாற்றலாம் என்று இப்பெண் வந்தாளா, தமிழகத்தை குளூனி தேர்ந்தெடுத்தது போன்று தேர்ந்தெடுத்தாளா என்ற கேள்வி எழுகிறது. நித்தியானந்தா ஆசிரமங்களுக்குச் செல்வது, விவரங்களை சேகரிப்பது, புகைப் படங்கள் எடுப்பது, முதலியவை செய்திருப்பது, அவரது வீடியோக்களிலிருந்து அறியலாம். திருவனந்தபுரம் “ரகசியப் பணிக்காக” சென்றது அதற்காக இருக்கும். பார்வதி போல, திரிசூலத்துடன் போஸ் கொடுத்து, புகைப் படத்தை வெளியிட்டுள்ளார். இந்தியர்களான எமக்கு, ஏதோ புராண படத்தில் நடிப்பது போன்று இத்தகைய முறையில் போஸ் கொடுக்க என்ன உரிமை இருக்கிறது என்று தெரியவில்லை. பிறகு நான் வாடிகனால் அனுப்பப் பட்ட ஒற்றனா இல்லையா என்று ஏன் விளக்கம் அளிக்க வேண்டும் என்று தெரியவில்லை. இறையியல் ரீதியில், கிருத்துவ பெண்ணாக, பிஷப் ரால்புடன் பிரச்சினை என்றால், அதை அங்கேயே வைத்துக் கொள்ள வேண்டும், தமிழகத்திற்கு ஏன் கொண்டு வரவேண்டும்? “உள்கலாச்சாரமயமாக்கல்” என்ற போர்வையில் கிருத்துவர்கள் இத்தகைய வேலைகளை செய்ய உட்புகுவது சாதாரணமான விசயமாக உள்ளது[3]. குளுனிக்கும், இப்பெணுக்கும் செயல்பாட்டில் ஒற்றுமை உள்ளது. இந்துபோல வேடமிட்டு நடந்து கொண்டு, பிறகு இந்து மதம், மடாதிபதி, நம்பிக்கைகளை உள்நோக்கத்துடன் குறைகூறுவது அல்லது தமது ஏசு-மேரி இவர்களை வீட கீழானவர் போன்று விளக்கம் அளிப்பது, முதலியவற்றிலிருந்து தெரிந்து கொள்ளலாம். இத்தகைய ஒப்பீட்டு இறையியல் விளக்கத்தினால் தான், குளூனிக்கும், சில சென்னை இந்துக்களுக்கும் கருத்து மோதல் ஏற்பட்டது. அவர், மெத்தப் படித்தவர் என்பதால், அந்த அளவில் போனது. ஆனால், இப்பிரச்சினை, இவர்களது நிலைக்கு வந்துள்ளாதால், அதுபோன்ற நிலையில் உழல்கிறது.

Francis clooney become Hindu scholar

இந்து மதம் தாக்கப் படுவது கண்டிக்கப் பட வேண்டியுள்ளது: இந்து மதத்தை வியாபாரம் செய்ய வேண்டும் என்ற நோக்கத்திலும் பல வெளிநாட்டவர் தொடர்ந்து செயல்பட்டுக் கொண்டிருக்கின்றனர். அதற்காகவும் அவர்கள், இந்துக்கள் போலவே நடிப்பது, உடை அணிவது, இந்து மதத்தைப் பற்றிப் பேசுவது, இந்துக்களுடன் நட்பு வைத்திருப்பது போன்ற செயல்களில் ஈடுபட்டு வருகிறார்கள்[4]. உண்மையில் அதன் மூலம் அவர்களிடமிருந்து, குறிப்பாக விஷயங்கள் தெரிந்தவர்களிடம் இருந்து நுணுக்கமான தகவல்களை பெற்று, அவற்றை தனது வியாபாரத்திற்காக பயன்படுத்திக் கொள்கின்றனர்[5]. யோகா, ஆயுர்வேதம் முதலியவை அனைத்துலக ரீதியில் வியாபாரமாக வருவதால் அதற்கு இத்தகைய போலி வேடதாரிகள், இந்துத்துவம் போன்ற கொள்கைகள் உதவியாக இருக்கின்றன[6]. பிரச்சினைகள் வரும்பொழுது, குற்றங்களில் மாட்டிக் கொள்வது, சட்டமீறல்கள் என்று வரும்போது, அவர்கள், இந்துமதம் மீது பழி போட்டு தப்பித்துக் கொள்ளப் பார்க்கிறார்கள். தொடர்ந்து அவ்வாறு இந்துமதம் தாக்கப்பட்டு, இழிவுபடுத்தப்பட்டு வருகின்றது. அரசியல்வாதிகளும் துணை போவதை கண்டு கொள்ளலாம். இது இவர்கள் எல்லோருக்குமே மறைமுகமாக உறவுகள் இருப்பது தெரிய வருகிறது. இதனால் தான் இத்தகைய செயல்களை இந்துக்கள் எதிர்க்க வேண்டி உள்ளது. ஏனெனில் அவர்கள் தங்களது பிரச்சினைகள், குற்றங்கள் முதலியவற்றை தமதாகக் கொண்டு செயல்படாமல், இந்துமதம் தான் காரணம் என்று பொய்சொல்வது, பிரசாரம் செய்வது, கண்டிக்க வேண்டியுள்ளது.

© வேதபிரகாஷ்

30-11-2019

Sarah video about - her planting by Vatican

[1] https://jesusyoga.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/christ-consciousness.pdf

[2] And then after almost 3 years she just left. Secretly….. with lies, hiding……No word of explanation. After everybody gave everything to her and provided all she did need for almost 3 years… she just left. She blocked us on all her social media and started to spread lies like she never was involved with One In God and that she never promoted unity between hinduism and christianity. She deleted many homepages, posts and maybe 40 Youtube videos where she promoted One In God and unity. And then she started to preach hate against christians. And now she is attacking hindus too. With her lies Sarah Landry is damaging the relations between christians and hindus and is causing hate! https://oig-movement.weebly.com/

[3] We, Indians, really do not understand, who has right to pose like this, she is acting in some Puranic film! Why then, give statement whether she has been planted by Vatican or not! If she had theological or other problems with Bishop Ralph, instead of settling with him, why repeat the same modus operandi here in Tamilnadu?

[4]  கத்தோலிக்கர் மட்டுமல்லாது மற்ற கத்தோலிக்கர் அல்லாத சர்ச்சுகளில் இந்த போலி நடவடிக்கைகளில் இறங்கி ஏமாற்று வேலைகளை செய்து வருகின்றனர்.

[5] இதில் குளூனி போன்றவர்கள் அடங்குவர். ஞானம், பண்டிதத் தனம், திறமை என்று எல்லாம் இருந்தும், குறிக்கோள் மதமாற்றத்தையும்தாண்டி, கடவுளையே மாற்றும் திட்டங்களில் ஈடுபட்டுள்ளது எடுத்துக் காட்டப் படுகிறது.

[6] ஸ்டீஃப் பார்மர் போன்ற அமெரிக்க “இந்துத்துவ வாதிகளே” செய்து வருகின்றனர். ஒரு பக்கம் இந்து மதத்தை தூஷிப்பது, இன்னொரு பக்கம் யோகா சொல்லிக் கொடுப்பது போன்ற இரட்டை வேடங்க்களை போட்டு வியாபாரம் செய்து வருகின்றனர்.

Indegenization, Indianization or Hinduization: Dubious “Inculturation” activities of Christians without any ethics, morality and integrity

September 14, 2019

Indegenization, Indianization or Hinduization: Dubious “Inculturation” activities of Christians without any ethics, morality and integrity

St John church in Deshnur, Linga inside-Derek Fernandez

Bishop Derek Fernandes, wearing saffron robes and with a vermilion tilak[1]: Photographs on social media of Belagavi diocese Bishop Derek Fernandes, wearing saffron robes and with a vermilion tilak, have stirred a controversy for the Roman Catholic Church in the country[2]. The pictures of Fernandes accompanied by unidentified men – all in the same attire and with some sporting rudraksha malas – appear to show the bishop performing the sacrament of the Eucharist in a church with pictures of Hindu swamis[3]. The pictures, posted on Twitter by journalist-activist Savio Rodrigues, set off a firestorm of charges against the prelate[4]. Some accused Fernandes, whom Pope Francis appointed as the sixth bishop of Belgaum on May 1, of trying to mislead Hindus and described it as a ploy to convert them. Several Christians on Twitter warned the bishop against such activities and some charged him with blasphemy. Bishop Fernandes, currently in Rome, was unavailable for comment. In Karnataka, D. S. Amalopavadass (1932-1990) has already done such experiments inviting criticism from the Church itself. However, the CBCLC, Bangalore has been promoting such activities. Now, he is appreciated as “Indian prophet” and so on[5].

church in Deshnur, 28km from Belagavi.

Inculturation – not-known people may talk, and write anything: How the Hindus have been gullible, the Christians manipulative and the media biased, opportunistic to created sensation can be seen in these postings and the stuff created as news. Ever since, Vatican Council – II was created, the Catholic Christians have bee carrying on these dubious, fraudulent and fancy-dress theology in the name of “inculturation” to have “inter-religious dialogue” with gullible and idiotic Hindus, who do not know what these Christian guys have bee doing. In Chennai, the case of Arulappa vs Ganesh Iyer has been well known, where, the Archbishop Arulappa gave lakhs to Ganesh Iyer to manufacture forged manuscripts, copper plates etc . In the same way, highly arrogant, racist and fundamental Christians of Kerala have been engaged in similar activities. They too do not bother about any ethics, morality and other such values to follow in their activities. Though converted Christians, they behave as if they descended from heaven or born with the mythical Jesus Christ.

St John church in Deshnur, Linga inside

Activist receives threats for tweeting bishop’s pics: Philip Kutty Joseph, vicar general of the Belgaum diocese, said the photographs were taken on August 29 on a visit by Bishop Fernandes to a church in Deshnur, 28km from Belagavi[6]. “The church was earlier called Virakta mutt,” he said. “Jesuit priests first went there more than 40 years ago and adopted Indian practices such as donning saffron robes. In fact, the tabernacle is in the form of a Shiva linga.” Fr Nelson Pinto, a priest of the diocese who responded when TOI attempted to contact Bishop Fernandes at his residence by phone, explained that when the first Jesuit priests went to Deshnur, in a predominantly Lingayat region, they adopted the local culture[7]. “The Jesuit priests became vegetarians and embraced other local practices,” Pinto said. “They did not do it to convert the people who lived there.” Metropolitan Archbishop of Goa & Daman and Patriarch of the East Indies Filipe Neri Ferrão said he was unaware of the incident involving Bishop Fernandes, but said it appeared to be part of a practice that the Catholic Church calls inculturation. “The photographs appear to be of a ceremony that includes inculturation, which the Catholic Church advises in liturgy, attire and so on[8]. It’s the assimilation of local culture,” he said. Even as the Church played down the controversy, however, journalist and activist Rodrigues received threats for tweeting pictures of Bishop Fernandes[9].

St John church in Deshnur, 28km from Belagavi.

The present news have been planted for publicity: So the threatening and all clearly exposes that they have been doing this just for publicity. The photos have been planted, though such activities have been going on. In fact, many more photos are available in internet and it is a wonder how these alert Hindu guys or enthusiastic Christian guys do not know about it. The non-Catholic might oppose and criticize, but, they coolly enjoy as to how the gullible Hindus are being cheated since 1958. Books  like “Catholic Ashrams” have already come out running into several editions[10]. So in such Ashrams, the Christians would appear and roam as Swamis only. Ironically, the pastors, bihops and other clergy are called as “Iyer” in Tamilnadu. Therefore, these neo-Brahmins of Christianity have been experimenting with such “tamashas.”

St John church in Deshnur,inner side

Inculturation – lying Christians[11]: In May 2003, when Indian bishops met Pope John Paul II before concluding their ‘ad limina’ visit to Rome, the Holy Father said[12], “India, blessed with so many different cultures, is a land in which the people yearn for God; this makes the Indian liturgy very distinct.” Though the Roman Catholic Church did not take this incident seriously, the activist cum journalist Rodrigues, who posted the pictures on Twitter has received several threat messages. One of the message says, “Savio Rodrigues, Judas in the name of Catholic. Reward of Rs 50,000, if anyone makes his face black and garlands him with shoes.” Some other Catholics have felt offended by this post of Savio Rodrigues. One such person said, in reply to the tweet of Rodrigues, “Hey Savio or whoever you may be. Please do not speak against our Catholic religion. You have no right to talk against our religion.”

St John church in Deshnur,inner side-2

To add a bit more on the belief system of both cultures, here are similarities between Catholicism and Hinduism:

  • Hindus worship many gods and Catholics worship many saints, both with the burning of candles and incense before statues. Both use images, icons, music, and ritual prayers as means to create an atmosphere of worship. While Hindus chant ritual “mantras,” Catholics chant rosary prayers.
  • Both have a priesthood that acts as an intermediary between the people and God.
  • Both believe in the effectiveness of “holy water” in various cleansing rites.
  • Both believe everyone needs “perfecting” before going to the ultimate reward. Catholics see time in purgatory as necessary to perfection of character, while Hindus believe that reincarnation will give the necessary steps towards perfection.
  • Both believe in the effectiveness of repeated offerings and sacrifices. Catholics believe the mass will effectively offer Christ again and again as a sacrifice for sins, while Hindus will present their gods with sacrifices and offerings of flowers.
  • Both religions have a strong belief that spiritual exercises will lift the worshiper out of the usual round of daily living, and will promote a mystic and superior understanding of existence. St. Ignatius is not really very different in his outlook on “spiritual exercises” than the Hindu mystic in his concentration on escaping this physical world and entering nirvana.
  • Both religions worship a mother goddess. Hindus worship the Goddess Durga as the Supreme Mother, while Catholics venerate Mother Mary .
  • Of course it can be pointed out that Hinduism is polytheistic (worshiping many gods) while Catholicism is monotheistic (worshiping only one God). In practice, Catholicism encourages worshipers to see Mary and the saints as interceders between God and humanity.

St John church in Deshnur,pators standing

Thiruppali book, in Tamil was banned by Vatican[13]: This is cited as an example. A civil court here has banned the use of a 1993 Tamil translation of Catholic prayer book ‘Missal’ (‘Thiruppali book’) until prior approval is obtained from the Vatican. Noting that some words had been wrongly translated and some others removed in the Tamil version, the court recently declared the translation as incorrect and against the canonical law. The Tamil translation of liturgical prayers and texts was first published in 1970 with prior approval from the Vatican. The book was updated in 1975 and underwent some more changes in 1993. Against the last alteration, three suits were filed[14]. Claiming that the changes had been made without approval from Rome and that the authorities had disobeyed the law, the petitioners said it was a case where “additions and omissions from the prescribed text were made”. Further, the four tenets of liturgy – sacrifice, eternal life, sin and doctrine — were dealt in a superficial manner, they said. In their reply, the archbishops of Chennai and Puducherry said the petitioners did not have a locus standi as under the tenets of the religion, they did not have a right to question the translations. The prayers “involved spiritual and religious aspects of the church” and “the court did not have jurisdiction to go into the veracity of church’s authority.” If there was a doubt, “superiors and doctors of church” could be approached, they said. In his order, IV assistant judge T Chandrasekar said it was a mere translation of liturgical book and the priests had failed to prove that the translation had been carried out with approval of the Vatican. If the court was barred from dealing with the matter, “everybody would release translations to suit their convenience,” the judge said. It also prohibited the translated version of book from being used in churches till prior review and approval was obtained from the Vatican.

St John church in Deshnur,inner side-3

Hinduization – how praised and condemned: Swami Kulandaiswami condemned Hinduization like anything, as pointed out by K. V. Ramakrishna Rao. However, Amarlopavadass, Bede Griffiths and others were praised and condemned by the Christians, in spite of the Catholic and non-Catholic affiliations.  Under Vatican Council – II, they claim that it has been their right to do so. Thus, their duplicity is exposed in cheating the Hindus, misinterpreting Hindu scriptures etc., at one side and appropriating the Hindu culture, heritage etc., at other side is also noted. With all these, they also cry that the tribal are Hinduised and so on!

© Vedaprakash

14-09-2019

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[1] Times Of India, Furore over Belagavi bishop’s saffron robe, TNN | Updated: Sep 13, 2019, 9:41 IST.

[2] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hubballi/furore-over-belagavi-bishops-saffron-robe/articleshow/71106070.cms

[3] MyNation, Belagavi bishop dons saffron robes, all hell breaks loose, By Team Belagavi, First Published 13, Sep 2019, 11:52 AM IST

[4] https://www.mynation.com/india-news/belagavi-bishop-dons-saffron-robes-all-hell-breaks-loose-pxrb1n

[5] Paul B. Steffen SVD, An Indian Christian Prophet:Duraiswami Simon Amalorpavadass (1932-1990),  NURT SVD 1 (2018) s. pp. 209-225 pbwsteffen54@gmail.com, Gregoriana University, Rome.

Father Duraiswami Simon Amalorpavadass (1932-1990) is one of the most significant Indian priests and theologians of the twentieth century. In 1967, he founded the National Biblical, Catechetical and Liturgical Centre (NBCLC) in Bangalore, and then headed it until 1980. He developed an authentic Indian and Christian spirituality, liturgy and theology of evangelization and inculturation.

[6] Daijiworld Media Network, Unusual saffron cloak of Belgaum Bishop creates controversy, Belagavi, Fri, Sep 13 2019 02:10:54 PM.

[7] https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay.aspx?newsID=624208

[8] NewsTimeNow, Belagavi Bishop Stirs Row by Dressing as a Swamy, By Raj Shankar -September 13, 2019

[9] http://newstimenow.com/belagavi-bishop-stirs-row-by-dressing-as-a-swamy/

[10] Sita Ram Goel, Catholic Ashram, Voice of India, New Delhi, 1994.

[11] Indian Catholics Matters, Catholics Raise Eyebrows as Bishop Dons Saffron Robes!, September 13, 2019 Team ICM News, By Verghese V Joseph.

[12] https://indiancatholicmatters.org/catholics-raise-eyebrows-as-bishop-dons-saffron-robes/

[13] Times of India, Tamil version of Catholic prayer book banned, Manish Raj | TNN | Updated: Nov 7, 2013, 2:00 IST.

[14] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Tamil-version-of-Catholic-prayer-book-banned/articleshow/25338212.cms