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The Christian-Vaishnavite dialogue continues: Clooney’s 2011 visit to Chennai!

August 12, 2011

The Christian-Vaishnavite dialogue continues: Clooney’s 2011 visit to Chennai!

Fr Clooney SJ - lecture -2011

Silent critics, active dialoguers and sleeping theologians: The visit of Francis Xavier Clooney to Chennai / India during July-August 2011 has not been informed, noted or publicized by his critics like last year or so[1]. Those who used to write something to him or to the newspapers have also been silent. Like last year, perhaps he has also not started his blogging at “American Catholic Journal” site[2]. However, from the media (mainly through browsing), I find there has been coverage about him attending seminars, conferences as usual. I have just tried to collect and post here for reference chronologically. Readers and interested dialoguers can add, point out the left outs and other comments as usual.

Fr Clooney SJ - Vidyajoti- lecture -2011

1. Hindu Texts for Christian Theology?—Prof. Francis Xavier Clooney SJ[3]: This was the topic of the special lecture given by Prof. Francis Xavier Clooney SJ at Vidyajyoti on July 27, 2011. He spoke of the importance of reading the texts of other religions while doing Christian theology[4]. Doing theology in the Indian context evidently calls for special attention to Hindu texts. In many ways, reading and reflecting on other religious texts are similar to reading and reflecting on biblical texts. In either case, one needs to give much time and go back to the text again and again. This leads to better understanding and newer insights. One needs to ask: What is the God experience hidden in the Hindu/Christian text? Dr. Clooney illustrated his ideas by bringing together select texts from Song of Songs of the Bible and Tiruvaymoli of the Tamil bhakti tradition.

Dr. Clooney is the Parkman Professor of Divinity and Professor of Comparative Theology at Harvard Divinity School, Cambridge, Massachusetts. He is also the Director of the Center for the Study of World Religions. He is well-versed in the Sanskrit and Tamil traditions of Hindu India and is an acclaimed contributor in the developing field of comparative theology. The scholarly lecture was very enlightening and led to a lively discussion moderated by Fr. George Gispert-Sauch SJ, an eminent Indologist and emeritus Professor at Vidyajyoti.

NOP Vaishnava college, Clooney- resource person

2. Shape of religious trajectories to come[5]: August 1, 2011:  No amount of praise will be enough for the Principal of the Chennai-based MOP Vaishnav College for Women and the Head of its Department of Sociology for organising an International Seminar on August 2, on the continuities and changes as well as the traditions and improvisations that are likely to influence the dynamics of religious trajectories in the decades ahead.
Not only is the choice of the theme imaginative and inspired in the light of the challenges, problems and dilemmas bearing on the precepts and practices of various religions, but it is also relevant and timely in the context of the debate provoked world-wide by the delusional rantings of Anders Behring Breivik who perpetrated the shocker of a carnage at Oslo (Norway).

The topics covered by the participants are a happy blend of the elucidation of the tantalising aspects such as the secularisation of bindi on the forehead, universalisation of religion in story-telling, Diwali as Nature’s nemesis and the power of Sanskrit, and the exploration of the important “affects” (as the sociologists call them to differentiate them from “effects”) of religion in relation to economics, environment, pluralism, globalisation and modernisation.

NOT A STAND-ALONE CONCEPT Karl Marx’s often quoted statement, “Religion is the opiate of the masses” is actually the concluding part of his observation which is not that censorious: “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions.” Religion is also the end-product of the quest of humankind for a dispenser of happiness and a refuge from forces of evil to which it finds itself unequal.

Saints, seers and sages have regarded religions as so many paths to the same Supreme Power by whatever name called. Scholarly writings based on a deep study of the real purport and purpose of religions of the world have quoted chapter and verse from every religious scripture to bring out the breadth of vision that looks at the whole humankind as one family and its total well-being as the paramount objective. Religion was never interpreted as a stand-alone concept but as being part of a continuum of religion-spirituality-ethics and morality-humanity.

Indeed, there are many passages in religious books enjoining respect for different faiths, harmony, fellow-feeling and compassion which are almost identical in language and content; if the information about the source from which they have been taken is undisclosed, it will be hard to tell which passage pertained to which religious teaching.

‘HEAVEN OF FREEDOM’ Of late, though, religious denominations are being exposed to severe tensions. First and foremost among them is the spread of religious prejudices, especially after 9/11. The Norway outrage cannot be dismissed as resulting from a single person’s sick mind, because there are many elsewhere too who entertain with varying degrees of intensity and conviction the same fears of being swamped by religious fanatics and immigrants with whom the native populations have little in common.

Second, social mores are undergoing a sea-change, throwing state-religion-society relations into a state of turmoil. As a paper on the subject of religious trajectories puts it, “demands for the recognition of gay marriage, teen marriage and inter-marriage…undermine existing religion-state agreements. Societies can….display secular trends, while state institutions remain bound to religious norms, or societies may become more religious while states remain, or attempt to remain, secular…” Third, the interconnectivities brought about by globalisation and the vast unknown of the new economy pose the dilemma of adjustment and threat of marginalisation to religion.

There are also unresolved questions about the impact on religion of advances in technology, such as space research poking into the Universe and genomics revolution abolishing death itself.

 Finally: Will the cumulative effect of all these changes be a situation in which either there will be no need for religion or the society will on its own be freed from the hold of any kind of religious identities, enabling the world to awake into that “heaven of freedom” described by Rabindranath Tagore in his poem “Where the mind is without fear…”.

Clooney at MOP Vaishnava college, Published on August 01, 2011

3. Religious Trajectories: Continuities and Changes, Traditions and Improvisations[6]:  CHENNAI: In the modern world, understanding of God has become smaller and there is a need to go deeper into tradition to understand what God is like, according to director of the Center for the Study of World Religions, Harvard University, Prof Francis X Clooney.

Addressing a seminar on Dynamics of Religious Trajectories: Continuities and Changes, Traditions and Improvisations at the M O P Vaishnav College here, Clooney said traditions were not the things of the past, they could cha-nge the world.

He said religion was not static and it kept changing as the modern world. “God is like a lover and tends to change. We can’t restrict him saying he belongs to me,” he said.

Clooney, who is also Parkman professor of divinity and comparative theology, said that in the current scenario the focus was more on power, politics as well as material gains and in the process, ireligion and tradition are ignored. He said the world could be changed by one who had religious values.

Clooney- gave Radhakrishna lecture -2011

4. Dr. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan Endowment Lectures: Department of Philosophy organized Dr. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan Endowment Lectures on 5th August 2011. Prof. Francis X. Clooney, Parkman Professor of Divinity and Director of the Center for the Study of World Religions, Harvard University, USA delivered two lectures on theme “Comparative Theology as 21st Century Christian Theology” and “The Drama of a God Who Comes and Goes: Reading the Biblical Song of Songs with the Srivaishnava Thiruvaymoli“.

The Principal, Dr. R.W. Alexander Jesudasan[7] presided over the function and the Bursar, Mr. C. Sundaraj and student and faculty of various departments were present on the occasion[8].

Loving God or devotee or dialoguer or incuturation? Only for the Indian Express report, I could respond as follows[9]: “Your report is partial, as Clooney’s intention has been otherwise. It is not that God is like a lover, but the question is the theologian’s attempt to impose enslaving act of restriction with the assertion that only “I can love him, you cannot”. Or “I can only love more than you”. But the the hidden agenda has been, “I love the God, but you do not; and you love a god that I cannot love”. As long as theocratic arrogance trots under the hypocritical religious superiority, love is lost!


[5] B. S. Raghavan, Shape of religious trajectories to come, http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/b-s-raghavan/article2311234.ece

[6] ‘God Is like a lover, can’t restrict him’,  Express News Service, Last Updated : 03 Aug 2011 09:23:22 AM IST, http://expressbuzz.com/cities/chennai/god-is-like-a-lover-can%E2%80%99t-restrict-him/300447.html<

[7] DrR. W. Alexander Jesudasan. Principal. Address: Madras Christian College TambaramChennai Tamil Nadu 600 059.

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Is Indian Christianity built on frauds and forgeries?

July 27, 2009
Christianity in India: Historical frauds
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Is Indian Christianity built on frauds and forgeries?

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2007/11/24/christianity-in-india-historical-frauds/I find the following write-up which gives connecting details of historical frauds carried on by the Christians, of course other details about the Christian healing centre, which has been in news for alleged killing of many and disposing the bodies.

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The Indian historians have to respond how such questionable activities have been going on in the name of history and all historians are keeping quite?

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Christian faith healing mafia centre in Kerala secretly cremated murdered bodies

If you think ‘COMA’ type stories are possible only in the Western world, think again.  In

Kerala, the church is involved in murders of the christian faithful, who come to their faith

healing centre.  Recently in Tamil Nadu, four bishops stole Rs 40 crore meant for the

Tsunami victims and some of them are arrested under goondas act.  Kidney sale is a fact

in Tamil Nadu and some 500 poor persons were forced to sell their kidneys to the christian

hospitals operating there.

On 10 March 2006, the Kerala High Court issued an order with an ultimatum to the

government to make a thorough investigation on the public allegation against the Christian

Divine Retreat Centre in Muringoor in Kerala state, India. Justice Padmananbhan Nair has

ordered the government to make a thorough investigation about sexual abuse, homicide,

foreign exchange violation, forceful conversion, abduction, intimidation and imprisonment

of unwilling residents at the center.  The court decided to conduct the inquiry after

receiving a complaint from a former christian employee of the centre.  Some of the

inmates had made two video CDs and sent a letter to the court for necessary action

against the christian faith racket that was going on in Kerala with political and police

protection.  Divine Retreat Centre, started in the eighties, is a christian mafia faith healing

centre.  For several years, the general public and civic leaders have complained against

Muringoor Christian center about the foreign currency violation, sex abuse, misdemeanor,

felony, forceful conversion, murder, rape and abduction and medical malpractice

committed at the center. The Kerala christian Churches are organized on the lines of

Italian mafia and have undue influence on the government and government officials have

turned a deaf year to the public plea against the anti social activities at the Center.

Reluctantly, government has appointed IG Winson M Paul to investigate the Muringoor

Divine center.  The Marxist communist government of Kerala ordered only a partial

investigation for fear of Christian backlash.

One of the Muringoor Divine Center Director George Panackal filed a law suit demanding

one crore rupees for the police investigation and the High Court had dismissed the

frivolous law suit.  Pinaroy Vijayan, General Secretary of the Marxist communist Party,

who was recently caught with live cartridges at Chennai airport, paid a visit to the Center

and praised and admired their activities in public thus endorsing their illegal activities.

Many inmates were murdered for their wealth and the centre used to secretly cremate

murdered bodies at the corporation graveyard in Kalamassery. Divine Retreat Centre is

involved in illegal foreign funding to criminal and other activities.  Many inmates were gone

missing from this christian mafia centre over the years.  It has been stated that almost

twenty bodies have been burnt in the last four years alone. Dasan, the watchman of the

corporation graveyard in Kalamassery said that he used to get Rs 750 for burning each

body and that it was the same person who used to bring the bodies from the divine centre

always. A christian doctor, Dr Thankamma Francis of the divine centre was the doctor who

always used to issue death certificate to all those bodies cremated secretly.  It should be

noted that christians are not cremated in Kerala and are buried.  The police investigation

was carried out in Divine Retreat Centre on 30 September and 1 October 2006.

Sonia Gandhi had put christians in many states as the Inspector General of Police and

Kerala is also a christian by name Winson M. Paul.  The Kerala government had put


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Winson M. Paul for enquiring the illegal activities in the Divine faith healing centre and

constituted a police team under him based on the court directive. Several public servants

such as Inspectors General of Police and the wife of a State Minister are closely

associated with the functioning of the Divine Centre. They are also members of the

Advisory Body of the centre.  A group of senior IAS, IPS and other government officials of

Kerala are working behind this “underworld” operations of the faith healing centre. This

centre receives huge funds from the Social Welfare Department of Kerala government.

Some 9000 people are on the voters list of the christian faith healing centre.

The congress party in India is christian controlled.  The Italian catholic christian, Antonia

Maino alias Sonia Gandhi is the president of the congress party of India.   The congress

party of Kerala state is headed by a christian who is a front man of a Dubai based audio

video piracy firm that operates on a much bigger scale worldwide than that of Dawood

Ibrahim’s set up in Dubai. Christian politicians of Kerala like Umman Chandi and K.M.Mani

were funded by this centre.  Congress party members boycotted the Kerala assembly

proceedings when police raided the christian faith healing centre in Muringoor, Kerala.

The christian leaders like K M Mani tried to paint that police misbehaved towards christian

patients including women at the centre to divert the public attention from the main issue of

dozens of murders in the christian faith healing centre. The christian K.M. Mani was a

former law minister and claimed that police violated norms in the Criminal Procedure Code

and harassed HIV/AIDS patients who were being cured at the Divine faith healing centre.

K. M. Mani, on 3 October 2006 at the Divine Retreat Centre stated that the faith healing

centre has become an oasis for the poor, sick people abandoned by medical science and

a home of refuge for the mentally challenged people. He said that he always visited the

centre as he also felt mentally challenged at times.

After cornering the private education field in Kerala with the political clout, the Kerala

christians are now concentrating on medical field to raise funds for the christian

conversion work going on in India manned by the Kerala christians.  With the advent of

AIDS the christian church concentrated on faith healing to make money.  The faith healing

centers are a method to extract the last drop of blood from AIDS patients, drug addicts

and the like. The christian priests and nuns, who form the slave labor force of the church

runs educational institutions and medical centers. The christian priest Fr.Augustine

Vallooran, a Director of Divine Retreat Centre was arrested by the police.

A Christian fanatic has issued a death threat to Justice Padmanabhan Nair for ordering

the state government to probe the unlawful and anti social activities of the Muringoor

Christian Divine Center. The Marxist endorsement reinforced the Center to continue illegal

activities and motivated the Christian extremist to issue death threat against Justice

Padmananbhan Nair. The death threat was sent to Justice Padmanabhan Nair from an

Ernakulum Telephone Booth. The death threat was specifically made to Justice

Padmanabhan Nair warning him that he will be murdered for ordering investigation against

the illegal activities and forceful homicide at the Christian Divine Center. The death threat

against Justice Padmanabhan Nair shows the danger to India from the radical Christianity

of India and its unholy nexus between the Marxist Party.


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The Kerala christians, who call themselves as Syrian christians and claim that they are

decedents of Brahmin converts of St. Thomas, are the typical example of the christian

frauds.  The history of Christianity is crowded with crimes against humanity of the most

horrendous kind.    As many as 23,000 blatant forgeries and foisting of pious frauds were

done by christians. Starting with Jesus Christ, the entire doctrinal and institutional edifice

of Christianity rests on a series of staggering swindles and lies. The book ‘Native life of

Travancore’ written by The Rev. Samuel Mateer F L S  and published in 1883 have a

chapter called Syrian Christians from page 158.  Rev. Samuel Mateer while traveling

throughout Kerala had stayed in many places and had talked with many of the Kerala

Syrian christians.  He found that none of the converts have heard of Jesus Christ and

does not know why a cross was being worshiped.  Kotarakara Syrian church doorway was

sketched in his book and it shows a cock engraved along with the cross and armed

figures.  The book clearly indicates that the Syrian Christians of Kerala are the

untouchable Hindu caste called ‘Paraya community’ converts.  The marriageable ages of

boys were 10 years, and that of the girls were 7 years.  The married couple can enter the

house only after ‘nellum niram’ and with the lamp in the hand of the girl.  The women

make ‘kurava’ a shrill cry during this time.  Fasting for the dead are kept for a year by a

relative in the family. Syrian Christians consult sorcerers and offerings are made to the

demons (Hindu Gods).  When the head of the untouchable Hindu Paraya  community is

dead, as per the customary caste law of Parayas, they bury the corpus of the deceased

head Parayas or moopan  in sitting posture instead of the usual practice of keeping the

dead body in lying position. Primitive burial practices of Parayas are still being practiced

by the Syrian christians in Kerala.  The Syrian Christians of Kerala bury the corpse of their

christian bishops in the same manner as the Hindu Parayas who bury their head Parayas

or Moopan.  The historical records and even the burial patterns show that Syrian

christians of Kerala are Paraya converts. Syrian Christians of Kerala maintained the ritual

of offering obsequies for the souls of the dead ancestors as that of the practice of

Parayas.  The obsequies for the dead ancestors contained blood, flesh and intoxicating

drinks. These are all typical local Kerala customs of Paraya community.  Pope Benedict

XVI in 2006 said that St Thomas had preached Christianity in “western” India and did not

visit Kerala.  The Kerala Paraya christian converts created two conflicting stories to show

that they are of higher Hindu caste converts to Christianity.  One group of Paraya

christians, created a story that they were converts of Brahmins, by St. Thomas who had

arrived in Kerala in 52AD.  This fake St. Thomas story is proved to be a fraud after the

present Nazi Pope Joseph Ratzinger, who was a Hitler Youth and head of Opus Dei, told

that St. Thomas visited the present Pakistan and never went to Kerala.  This crooked

Paraya christians of Kerala operating from Tamil Nadu even created martyrdom for St.

Thomas in Chennai, in a fake story in which st. Thomas was killed by a Brahmin.  They

destroyed the Kapileswara temple near the seashore with the help of Europeans and

constructed a St. Thomas church using some of the temple stones.  These Paraya

christians of Kerala created a St. Thomas mount in Chennai from where they are now

selling sacred Thomas sand by the kilos, claiming that Thomas walked all over that area.

Another group of Paraya christian converts of Kerala claims that they are refugees from

Syria in AD 352, and created fake copper agreements in Portuguese language from

Kerala Kings to prove their arrival etc. The Paraya christians of Kerala, and the terrorist

muslims of Kerala migrated to Tamil Nadu to further their activities.  Christians along with


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the British created and propagated the Aryan invasion theory which convinced the black

Tamils that they are an inferior community different from the fair Brahmins.  This

propaganda has created a Dravidian movement in Tamil Nadu and created Tamil

Terrorists like E.V. Ramasami Naicker also known as Periyar or EVR.  In Tamil Nadu and

Kerala many dirty criminal Christian frauds happened.   The International Institute of Tamil

Studies, sponsored and funded by the Government of Tamil Nadu, had published in 1985­

86 a book titled Viviliyam,   Tirukkural, Shaiva Siddhantam Oppu Ayu. The writer of the

book was a Christian by name M. Deivanayakam. The University of Madras had conferred

a doctor’s degree on the author for writing this dissertation. The thesis propounded by him

was that the ancient Tamil saint, Tiruvalluvar, had become a disciple of St. Thomas and

converted to Christianity.    N. Krishnaswami Reddiar, a retired judge’ of the high court

denounced Deivanayakam’s book as “trash in the name of research.”  The visit of St.

Thomas to India was a myth, and wondered how a book like that by Deivanayakam could

be published by an institute set up by the Government and honored by the University of

Madras with a doctorate. Dr. R. Nagaswami, eminent archaeologist, also censored the

institute and the university for sponsoring a spurious thesis, and said that the St. Thomas

story “was a ruse to spread Christianity in India which is now confirmed by the Pope

himself. Deivanayakam had collaborated with Dr. R. Arulappa, the Catholic Archbishop of

Madras, in writing another but similar book, Perinbu Villakku, published in 1975. The

Archbishop had also tried to prove that Tiruvalluvar had come in contact with St. Thomas

during the latter’s travels in South India, and converted to Christianity. But he had gone

much further, and forged ‘evidence’ on palm­leaf scrolls in support of his thesis. He had

employed a Hindu scholar of Christianity, Ganesh Iyer, for this purpose, and paid him to

the tune of 15 lakh rupees. The fraud had been exposed when someone put the police on

the trail of Ganesh Iyer. The case had dragged on in the Madras metropolitan court from

1980 to 1986 when Ganesh Iyer was sentenced to ten months’ imprisonment on various

counts. But Dr. Arulappa had got him acquitted by means of a civil suit for compromise

filed in the Madras High Court at the same time that the criminal case was going on.

Ganesh Iyer had spilled the beans soon after.

Christian Slave traders of yesterday are the human rights activists of today.  Christianity a

trillion dollar business built on fraud and Greatest Cover Up in History.  Christians are a

fifth column community in India.  Kerala Paraya Christians moved in to Tamil Nadu to

create fake histories because they found that Tamilians left in Tamil Nadu have low IQ or

no IQ at all.  Nehru’s illegitimate child was growing up in a christian orphanage in

Bangalore, and this enabled them to blackmail Nehru to allow the missionaries to have

conversion by gun, in the North East states of India.  Antonia Maino coming from the

lowest strata of Italy and an illiterate girl, working as a barmaid in UK was presented by

Opus Dei and KGB in front of Rajiv Gandhi to continue the hold of christians in India.

Christians who worked as the agents of the British were en masse killed in Delhi, during

the first war of Independence in 1857.  Recently christian members of Indian Parliament

elected from all states had attended a meeting of a christian terrorist group of North

Eastern states. This christian terrorist group of North East calls for the creation of christian

nations out of North East India and the christian MPs promised them help.  Recently

Manipur’s congress party chief minister Ibobi Singh donated Rs 1.5 Crore to christian

separatists.  US Senator Barbara Boxer and ex President Jimmy Carter calls for Nagaland

to secede from India.  You have to understand that the Christian missionaries and


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militants have been working for years to bring most of the states of the northeast to

secede from India to become a separate Christian country, even if it means by force and

brutality. For example, few people seem to be aware that in the small state of Tripura

alone, over 10,000 people have been killed in the past 20 years by Christian militants

through what you could call ethnic cleansing. The killing is done to instill fear in those who

are not Christian, or who do not want to separate from India. And these militants are often

supported by the Christian groups who provide money and reasoning for what they do.

Southern Baptist Church forcing conversions at gun point.   The Baptist Church in

southern USA and the Presbyterian Church of the UK fund the Baptist Christian terrorists

that are active in India”s North­East.   Ex­Chief Election Commissioner, T.N. Seshan, told

this in a discussion in 1993. the terrorist groups like NLFT.    The Christian Groups in

America that fund armed insurgents in north east India to carry out ethnic cleansing and

killing in India should be declared as terrorist organizations by the Indian government.

Billy Graham well known Baptist leader openly praised the christian naga terrorists who

had killed some 300,000 Hindus in North East.  The Nagas, The NLFT, The NDFB are all

Baptists are christian terrorists and interestingly they all share terrorist camps with

islamists of Al­Quaida.  Christianity is the result of a huge conspiracy and is the single

most dangerous organization on earth that caused the death of half a billion humans in the

name of religion.  Islam pales in to insignificance as a terror organization in front of

Christianity with only seventy five million human beheadings to its credit.

http://www.kaumudi.com/news/101806/kerala.stm

http://www.haindava keralam.org/ PageModule. aspx?PageID= 2885″SKIN=C

http://www.malayalavedhi.com/wbboard/threadid.php?boardid=13″threadid=4689

Pope pops St Thomas bubble in Kerala, November 24, 2006

http://www.cybernoon.com/DisplayArticle.asp?section=fromthepress”subsection=inbomb

ay”xfile=November2006_inbombay_standard11461

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/nov/22pope.htm

http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast”broadcastid=36118″PHPSESSI

D=f685d32742085c8c740ed937db04195e

Indians demand answers from Sonia Gandhi on her links

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/29347_comment.php

Terrorists in North­East India get support from America

http://www.freeindiamedia.com/current_affairs/21_july_current_affairs.htm

http://tripurainfo.com/insurgency/sekhar3.shtml

church backing Tripura rebels

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/717775.stm

NOW A CHRISTIAN­HINDU DIVIDE IN TRIPURA VILLAGES

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_129174,0009.htm

Here is a Baptist website

http://www.srt.com/baptist/missions21.html

Exodus from Manipur continues

http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=2″theme=”usrsess=1″id=10546


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Dutch support revealed for rebels”,

http://www.tehelka.com/channels/investigations/2000/oct/9/in100900dutch.htm .

Terror in Tripura etc

http://www.flonnet.com/fl1712/17120410.htm.

http://www.himalmag.com/december2001/essay.htm.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/06naga.htm.

http://www.satp.org.

http://www.nenanews.com/OT%20Dec.22­%20Jan.6,%2001/oh4.htm.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/08nscn.htm.

http://www.northeastvigil.com/newsarch/16042000i.htm#i01.

http://www.northeastvigil.com/newsarch/01072000i.htm#i24.

As our eminent, progressive, secular, broad-minded, open-minded, liberal and what-not historians can discuss about Rama, Krishna etc., now, perhaps, time has come to discuss about this type of frauds, as they are contemporary and we can get evidences.

Surprisingly, why the historical forums like Indian History Congress, South Indian History Congress, and so many State History Congresses conduct conferences inviting the eminent historians for giving endowment lectures etc., do not bother about such a serious historical frauds, spurious copper plate manufacture, forged-documents and others going on in the name of History?

How it is possible?

VEDAPRAKASH
24-11-2007

Jesus trail in India: A Hollywood movie for Indians!

July 27, 2009
Jesus trail in India: A Hollywood movie for Indians!
Published on November 22nd, 2007 In Blogging, Philosophy, Politics |  Views 933
 

Jesus trail in India: A Hollywood movie for Indians!

Jesus married to Mary Magdalene, raised children and died in Kashmir! Perhaps, no true Christian would believe in such stories. Yet, “The Hindu” carries such myths under the guise of “history, theory….” and so on!

Jesus trail in India, The Hindu 20-11-2007

It has to be noted that “The Hindu” has been involved in spreading the “Thomas myth” in India, in one way or the other and now, it lends its promotion to spread the “myth of Jesus in India”! Therefore, the Christian or Catholic hold on the “Mount Road Maha  Vishnu” [as Karunanidhi used to mention] is intriguing.

Producer Anil Kumar Urmil with Associate Producer for India Sanjay Shetye at the Rozabal Tomb where filming took place in war-torn Kashmir

Producer Anil Kumar Urmil with Associate Producer for India Sanjay Shetye at the Rozabal Tomb where filming took place in war-torn Kashmir

Date:20/11/2007 http://www.thehindu.com/2007/11/20/stories/2007112058852200.htm

By Randeep Ramesh (The Hindu 20-11-2007)

Film to cover the years left out of the New Testament

Coming up in 2009: The Aquarian Gospel

Action adventure account of Jesus’ lifeNew Delhi: Hollywood is to fill in Jesus’ “missing years” in the Bible with a story about him as a wandering mystic who travelled across India, living in Buddhist monasteries and speaking out against the caste system.

Film producers have delved into revisionist scholarship to piece together what they say was Jesus’ life between the ages of 13 and 30, a period untouched by the gospels.

The result is The Aquarian Gospel, a $20-million movie which portrays Jesus as a holy man and teacher inspired by a myriad of eastern religions in India. The movie takes its name from a century-old book that examined Christianity’s eastern roots and is in its 53rd reprint.

Casting begins

The film’s producers say the movie will be shot using actors and computer animation like 300, the retelling of the Battle of Thermopylae, and will follow the travels of Yeshua, believed to be the name for Jesus in Aramaic, from West Asia to India. Casting for Bollywood and
Hollywood actors has begun.

“The Bible devotes just seven words to the most formative years of Yeshua’s life saying: ‘The boy grew in wisdom and stature’. The [film] will follow Christ’s journey to the east where he encounters other traditions, and discovers the principles that are the bedrock of all the world’s great religions,” said Drew Heriot, the director, whose credits include the cult hit The Secret.

The film, due for release in 2009, sets out to be a fantasy action adventure account of Jesus’ life with the three wise men as his mentors. Although the producers say the film will feature a “young and beautiful” princess, it is not clear whether Jesus in the movie is to have a love interest.

The producers say they are hoping for commercial and spiritual gains. “We think that Indian religions and Buddhism, especially with the idea of meditation, played a big part in Christ’s thinking. In the film we are looking beyond the canonised gospels to the ‘lost’ gospels,” said William Sees Keenan, the producer, who is currently making Lindsay Lohan’s Poor Things. “We are looking at new themes. In our story Jesus was loyal to the untouchables and he defended them with his life by saying that everyone could read the Vedas,” said Mr. Keenan.

The myth-makers and gullible swamis

The myth-makers and gullible swamis

Earlier book

The theory that Jesus’ teachings had roots in Indian traditions has been around for more than a century. In 1894, a Russian doctor, Nicholas Notovitch, published a book The Unknown Life of Christ, in which he claimed that while recovering from a broken leg in a Tibetan monastery in the Ladakh region, close to Kashmir, he had been shown evidence of Christ’s Indian wanderings. He said he was shown a scroll recording a visit by Jesus to
India and to the Tibetan region as a young man. Indian experts claim that documentary proof remains of this visit.

“I have seen the scrolls which show Buddhist monks talking about Jesus’ visits. There are also coins from that period which show Yuzu or have the legend Issa on them, referring to Jesus from that period,” said Fida Hassnain, former director of archaeology at the University of Srinagar.Mr. Hassnain, who has written books on the legend of Jesus in India, says there was extensive traffic between the Mediterranean and India around the time of Jesus’ life. The academic pointed out that in Srinagar a tomb of Issa is still venerated. “It is the Catholic Church which has closed its mind on the subject. Historians have not.”

More dramatic are the claims that Buddhism had prompted the move from the “eye for an eye” ideology of the Old Testament to “love thy neighbour” in the New Testament.

In 1995 a German religious expert, Holger Kersten, claimed that Jesus had been schooled by Buddhist monks to believe in non-violence and to challenge the priesthood. Mr. Kersten’s book is a bestseller in India.

Church’s view

The Catholic Church in India dismisses the film as just “Hollywood filmmakers in search of a new audience rather than the truth.” Aware that religious passions are easily inflamed, after the Da Vinci Code film sparked protests among Indian Christians, its spokesman said that a movie about Jesus in India was “fantasy and fiction.”

“I have personally investigated many of these claims and they remain what they first seem: fiction,” said John Dayal, president of the All India Catholic Union. — © Guardian Newspapers Limited, 2007

E xperts for the dubious film

E xperts for the dubious film

Comments:     The Christians give one more opportunity to read and understand the Bible to find out the myths, forgeries and manipulations in making of Christianity. As for as Christianity and Islam is concerned Indians and rather Hindus go by what others say about these non-Hindu, non-Indian religions. As Christians and Muslims have studied, researched and handled Hindu religion, scriptures and Hindus, the Hindus never studied, researched and handled Christianity and Islam. Even at elite, secular or atheist level, an impression has been formed that such study should not or need not be there. Most of the Indians do not know about the “Jesus Myth” – http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

  • Hollywood can fill in Jesus’ “missing years” or anything in the Bible with a story about him as a wandering mystic or adventurer or revolutionist, but it has no business to spread myths and lies as such motive raise other questions.
  • Indians have to be told clearly that there had never been any historical Jesus and while dealing with mythical Jesus and connected so-called fabricated bibles, there have been many such fables making him to travel to Egypt  and so on, but to bring him to India is totally unimaginable even for Christian mind.
  • To say or claim that he “travelled across India, living in Buddhist monasteries and speaking out against the caste system” etc., as mention clearly expose that the film-makers have other political and social manipulative agenda under the guise of film and myth-making .
  • Film producers with revisionist or any scholarship with $20-million or more can produce any movie, as Indians or Hindus have no match for such sophistication and trickery and they can never produce any counter-movie.
  • It can be a fantasy action adventure account of Jesus’ life with the “three wise men” as his mentors, but such exigency exposes the aiding and abetting the frauds and forgers of many scholars who have been notorious enough to indulging in such shameless act. The Madras Archbishop Arulappa did it with just Rs. 14 lakhs in 1980s, but got red-handed as his accomplice got exposed for his spurious research on the same subject matter!
  • Although the producers say the film will feature a “young and beautiful” princess, it is not clear whether Jesus in the movie is to have a love interest. So what, Mary Magdalene was there according to them!
  • William Sees Keenan, the producer has made another point: “In our story Jesus was loyal to the untouchables and he defended them with his life by saying that everyone could read the Vedas,”! So, he is going to defend the cause of Dalits! All Christians go to take the movie and use for their evangelical activities as a part of their “Liberation Theology”! Pope Gregory, who is very often blamed for nurturing “Caste system” in Indian Christianity for the issue of the Bull would be exonerated as Jesus himself supported the Dalits that to he had been very loyal to them! An Indians or Hindus would hope that William Sees Keenan would print Vedas and circulate everywhere as anyone can read Vedas!
  • From where they got such wonderful and fantastic ideas? It is answered: The theory that Jesus’ teachings had roots in Indian traditions has been around for more than a century. In 1894, a Russian doctor, Nicholas Notovitch, published a book The Unknown Life of Christ, in which he claimed that while recovering from a broken leg in a Tibetan monastery in the Ladakh region, close to Kashmir, he had been shown evidence of Christ’s Indian wanderings. He said he was shown a scroll recording a visit by Jesus to India and to the Tibetan region as a young man. Indian experts claim that documentary proof remains of this visit. And what about the veracity and authenticity of such scrolls?
  • Russian journalist Nicholas Notovitch’s 1894 The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ more modestly claimed to be based on scrolls in a Tibetan lamasery ‘proving” that Christ studied the Veda in India before mastering the Buddhist Scriptures in Kashmir and Tibet. That tale is debunked in The Issa Tale That Will Not Die, Nicholas Notovitch and His Fraudulent Gospel (Lanham: Rowman ” Littlefield 2003) by Louis Fader. http://www.caslon.com.au/forgeryprofile3.htm
  • Just another reference: “A number of religious books–perhaps a dozen or more–mostly written within the last hundred years and purporting to add to the revelation of the Bible. They claim to be based upon genuine documents of Christian antiquity, but every one has been shown by scholars to be a hoax..The Unknown Life of Christ, published in 1894, and written by a Russian named Nicolas Notovitch, on the basis of information he said he received from the chief lama of a Tibetan monastery. It is claimed that Jesus spent the years between thirteen and twenty-nine in India,Tibet, and Persia, and then returned to Palestine. The monks at Tibet denied ever seeing Notovitch or knowing anything about the ancient manuscript about Christ they allegedly showed to him…(Concerning this view of the young adult life of Jesus I have the following questions: (1) Why didn”t the people in Jesus” own hometown know about such supposed travels? Mark 6:2-3 (2) Why did the Son of God need to go to India? To learn?).. The Lost Books of the Bible. This book, published in 1926, is claimed by the publishers to include religious books deliberately kept out of the NT by the early bishops of the Church..It is actually nothing more than a reprint of an edition of the apocryphal NT which had been published in 1820, and an edition of the Apostolic Fathers which had appeared in 1737.” (Zond. Ency. pp. 213-214) This entire article can be seen here: http://www.lincolnavenue.org/grapevine /beavertonLostBooksOfTheNT.html
  • Fida Hassnain, former director of archaeology at the University of Srinagar claims, “I have seen the scrolls which show Buddhist monks talking about Jesus’ visits. There are also coins from that period which show Yuzu or have the legend Issa on them, referring to Jesus from that period”. Mr. Hassnain, who has written books on the legend of Jesus in India, says there was extensive traffic between the Mediterranean and India around the time of Jesus’ life. The academic pointed out that in Srinagar a tomb of Issa is still venerated. “It is the Catholic Church which has closed its mind on the subject. Historians have not.” However, why he has not mentioned the full story that Jesus married Mary Magdalene, begot children and died there like men. Note, all these narrations would go against the basic tenets of Christianity, as crucifixion, resurrection, ascension etc., are totally denied here. We do not know as to whether Fida Hassnain has made such comments as Muslim, believer of Quaran or otherwise, as Quaran says Jesus was taken to an elevated place, where waters were flowing and he was survived thereafter. That is he was not crucified! Anyway, it would be interesting for Indians to watch the movie with a lot of romantic theology at the cost of Hollywood!
  • John Dayal, president of the All India Catholic Union claims that “I have personally investigated many of these claims and they remain what they first seem: fiction,” but he has never questioned such frauds already taken place in India!
  • The Catholic Church in India could dismiss the film as just “Hollywood filmmakers in search of a new audience rather than the truth.” Aware that religious passions are easily inflamed, after the Da Vinci Code film sparked protests among Indian Christians, its spokesman said that a movie about Jesus in India was “fantasy and fiction.” But, they cannot be double-speak as in the case of “Inculturation”, “Inter-faith / religious dialogue” etc.
  • Hope Hindus, secular Indians and others have wonderful enjoyment after “Da Vinci Code”! As one Pope claimed, “The Jesus Myth always serve the purpose”!

Meanwhile, we can consult Romila Thapar about the truth as she has already recorded that the biographies of Jesus, Mohammed etc., have been well accepted and so on in “The Hindu” and “Economic and Political Weekly”. We can consult Karunanidhi also so that he would ask so many questions:

  1. How he came to India?
  2. How many days, he took?
  3. How he took Mary Magdalene with him?
  4. In which route he came?
  5. Which vehicle he used?
  6. By cart, bus or plane?
  7. Whether he purchased ticket or not?
  8. Who was the driver and conductor?
  9. Whether they knew driving or not?
  10. Whether they had licence to drive and carry Jesus?
  11. The 17 years period is not a joke. How he spent the time?
  12. He may compose a poem also about his sojourn!

VEDAPRAKASH

22-11-2007